Marshall 1960B Cabinet

2005 cab. you know the features. this is an update review.still wish it had 8ohm mono. but thats ok.

i reviewed this cab back in dec.05 and i thought it was great. guess what? i still do.i just bought anotherone. i now have a 1960a 2004, 2 1960b 2005 models.i still think these are wonderful cabs. have never tried anything else but the mg cabs or avt cabs, but i love the sound im getting, its perfect in every way. ive read about the farting bass and ive heard it my self in disbelief at guitar center through a dsl 100 w/ no external fx using the ultra gain channel.i think the speakers need to be broken in before giving opinions on these cabs.anyway i mainly use a boss metal zone for hi-gain sound and i get my dream sound with this. huge sub sonic bass, unreal!!! no farting at any volume. im in a 3 piece hard rock, punk band and everyone tells me after shows that we have such a huge concert sound for 3 guys. sorry but im sticking with marshall 4EVER!!! OH AND GIBSON TOO!!

HAVENT HAD THESE TOO LONG SO WE'LL SEE. ONE REVIEWER SAID THE TOLEX SUCKS AND WILL RIP RIGHT OFF AFTER ONLY A FEW GIGS. MAYBE HIS IS DEFECTIVE. I GIG WITH THESE 3 TO 4 NITES A WEEK AND STILL LOOKS BRAND NEW AFTER A COUPLE OF MONTHS AND 20 OR SO GIGS. IF YOU TREAT YOUR GEAR LIKE SHIT THEN IT WILL LOOK LIKE IT!!!

MIXED FEELINGS ON THIS SUBJECT

I FEEL BAD FOR THE GUYS WHO BOUGHT THIS CAB HOPING FOR TONAL BLISS AND GOT NOTHING. LIKE I SAID I BOUGHT 3. 1 2004 1960A AND 2 2005 1960B CABS AND ALL 3 SOUND LIKE ANGELS PLAYING HEAVENLY HARPS TO MY EARS. YES I WOULD REPLACE IF LOST OR STOLEN..

2005 1960B cab. Needs 8ohm mono switch but what ever.Very nice cab.Hard rock,punk.

Gibson L.P. standard and special faded. I like it.Unlike other reviewers I have massive bottom end. This is my sound. Smoother sound than 1960A. I own both,love both and need both for differnt type set ups. Handles high volume well too me.JCM 600 head and Lead 100 mosfet head is what I use depending on the club. Boss metal zone, super overdrive, ce5 chorus, phase shifter,dunlop cry baby and dunlop volume pedal. These cabs are the industry standard period. Nothing else gets the attention or respect than a Marshall stack.

Seems very solid.Grill cloth a little week but beautiful. So be careful, buy a cover or flight case, you should anyway with any piece of gear.

tried E mail them for general questions on other products but got no place.Also the local Marshall sevice center looks like a scene from Sanford & Son and the amp tech has been missing for 3 weeks. The next closest one is 100 miles from me.I needed a volume knob once for an old G100R CD head .The owner of the so called Marshall service center REFUSED TO ORDER ME A NEW VOLUME KNOB UNTIL HE FINDS OR REPLACES HIS AMP TECH. Things that you make say,(what the fuck?)

Playing acoustic since 1975,11yo.Gigging acoustic electric shows since 1989. Playing electric guitar for only 2 years but Im the lead singer and guitarist for my gigging 3 piece hard rock and punk band.If this cab were stolen I would buy it again in a minute. I love the 1960a & b cabs the best for me. I know what I like to hear and I like what Im hearing through my rig.

1999 with basketweave - gold piping and vintage marshall logo.

It has all the features you ever need on a cab, an input for mono 4ohm, mono 16ohm, and stereo 8ohm. Why anyone would run ONE cabinet in stereo is beyond me, but there you go. It's on wheels, so you wont have any trouble shifting it anywhere.

This cab has a very clear midrange and tight high end. I run a Soldano Hotrod 50+ and an old PRS Standard with Dragon I pick ups into this cab and it sounds fantastic! My styles vary a lot, but i do use a lot of high gain lead and rhythm work, which this cab really handles well. Theres plenty of defination, and i havent had any problems any of the 'farting' sounds or flabby low end that some people have described. When i palm mute, it still feels like a kick in the gut, but it could use having a little more low end to it.

The cab and speakers themselves hold up really well. But i have a few issues in this department. The plastic handles and corner guards feel quite cheap, although fairly robust. My main problem is the tolex. Absolute rubbish - the stuff rips if you as much as look at it the wrong way! There are plenty of patches on my cab where ive resorted to duct tape to hold the tolex together. It's a shame, because if it wasnt for this then the cab would score really highly because the wood, and general workmanship is pretty good, especially for the price.

On the plus side, if you like your amps looking worn in and well toured, it wont take too long!

Never needed them. Not much support you really need for a speaker cab.

Marshall really do have the formula right with these cabs. Regardless of any cosmetic complaints i might have, they sound great. They dont have any ridiculously boomy low end like the recto cabs, nor do they claim to.

My only real complaint is that for the price they could make these a lot sturdier and with a finish that is a bit harder to rip!

For pure build quality alone, mesa cabs smoke everything out there. But hell! with the money you saved, you can put the marshall in an ATA flight case and never have to worry!

You know the features. I give it a 10 because it's a freaking cabinet. I'd give a Behringer cab a 10. It has 4 speakers and two input jacks. A+.

I likey this cab. Definetely has that Marshall personality, not very noisy. I noticed some crackling but I found out it was my bad tubes. Most certainly not a bassy amp but that's why I like, nice smooth midrange and defined highs. I run a DSL 100 through it, standard marshall scream. I also run a 5150 sometimes and OH.....MY...GOD!!! The sound is so tight, so brutal!!!
I have only played a few other cabs so I don't think my opinion is all that reliable. I do prefer 2x12 cabs though, tighter bass response. But you have to look cool on stage, and the only way to do that is have a F*&^in marshall behind you.

Workmanship not all that great, I noticed some things were loose inside. Just tightened them, but c'mon, for 600 bucks you think they'd have the work down. Guess not. It's reliable enough, been gigging with it a year but the input jacks are coming loose. Frigging plastic. But it is mass produced....

I have heard the horror stories but never had a problem.

Ok so I am going to agree with the bloke a few reviews below me.....I really bought this cab for the logo. It's amazing. The name Marshall screams so much frikking rock n roll just by being on stage. I think there are better cabs out there for much cheaper. But who wants a Genz-Benz cab with a Marshall head? You have to coordinate man!!!!

Standard 4x12 straight cabinet, loaded with Celestion gt75-12's. Four and 16 ohm input's also 8 ohm stereo. Removable casters and handles on the side of cabinet.

I use either an Ernieball Luke or and ESP M-II both loaded with EMG's through a Peavey Triple XXX head into my 1960b. The sound is really nice. It has a nice smooth midrange and a good low end to the sound. It definitely doesn't put out the low end of a Mesa oversized cab, but for a traditional cab it is no slouch. I have played many heads through this cab in the years I have had it and they all sound good.

Well, Marshall is notorious for shoddy workmanship. My cabinet used to fart out with any kind of substantial low end going into it. To resolve this, I took the cabinet apart and had to tighten all the screws holding in the speakers as they were loose. The most noticable improvement I made was to add another screw to the main support beam as it was loose. This was causing the farting sound. I have read a lot of reviews saying these cabs fart out and this is why. It has nothing to do with the speakers. Once you do these things this cabinet is rocksolid!

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For the money this is an excellent cab. I wish Marshall would mind their quality control a bit more, but at least the materials are top notch. This cab will keep up with most anything out there as far as sheer volume and tone. Like I alluded to earlier the only thing it won't do is add extra low end to amp that is lacking in that department.

300 watts, 16 or 4 ohm mono, 2 x 8 ohms stereo. Its a speaker cab, what else do you need?

I'm playing a gibson les paul with EMG 81/85 pick ups into a 31 band EQ, into a Mesa Dual rectifier into the 1960B cab. I play stuff thats ranges from very clean and melodic (with whispy effects like phasers, delays, etc etc...) to extremely heavy, articulate and meaty (Dual recto, d'uh!). This cab really brings the Recto's crunch out. The mesa 4 x 12 is great and all, but I don't honestly think any guitar player needs the combined low end boom---its just too friggin much! I play in C tuning, so my tone will be naturally darker/bass heavy and the marshall keeps the bass nice and tight-nice balance with the mids and highs--THICK AS A F*CKING BRICK.
Sounds friggin awesome when I pulled some of the rectos tubes to make it 50 watts--the tube saturation of the recto at 50 watts combined with the natural speaker break-up of the cab when pushed sounds so sweet!!!--I've finally found a full-balls, thick, hi gain distortion that actually has a kind of sweetness to it. The cleans also sound great--plain cleans as well as cleans loaded with cathedral type reverbs, huge sounding choruses ,phasers, flangers, tremolos, delays, yadda yadda

Also, to some of the guys complaining about the way the speakers sound---you have to understand that your amp is going to sound different from cab to cab (different speakers, different build, different materials, etc). You have to adjust your amp with each different cab, just as you would with a different guitar. Also, as you turn your amp, your tone gets "fatter", especially with tubes. What sounds good at 1 or 2 might not at 8 or 9. Best way is to set your eq at gigging volume. If you wanna make your guitar sound like a distorted bass, buy a randall 2 x 15 cab. If you want a rib rattling thick ass smack you in the nuts distortion, get the the 1960b cab, and tweak your amp settings for crying out loud. I'll stop my rambling here.

Original wheels still work fine, this a first for me. The handles seem kinda cheesy. Its pretty sturdy, I mean, i got like 200 pounds of gear--2nd cab, amp head, rack full of shit--sitting on top of it-not wobbly at all.

The cab is great, haven't had to call marshall about--however, called em about stuff in the past, basically....F*CK YOU Marshall.

I been playing for about 8 years now, i mean, seriously playing, not just picking my ass with a guitar in my garage. The cab is great, tight, thick, sturdy. Looks purty too. I played it next to a mesa recto 4x12 under my dual recto--Sounded tighter, with more definition, especially with the lows. Cheaper too, heh

Everyone has covered the standard features of the cab. There's no need for me to talk more about them.

For anyone who says that this cab doesn't have enough bass, they need to reevaluate what their definition of bass is in a guitar sound. This is a 300W cab that features 4 75W Celestion GT12-75 Speakers. These speakers hold a very tight low end and project a very sharp amount of treble in your tone. They also hold tighter than Vintage 30's (which are typically rated at 65W-70W).

If you plug in and want a "boomy" sound, then you're playing through the wrong cab. Try a Mesa Recto cab. This cab is intended for a guitarist who wants a tight "crunch," not a "boomy" low end...and that's exactly what it delivers.

I'm giving the reliability a "6" because of Marshall's components they use.

Never dealt with them personally.

For the money and sounds it produces, I give it a "10" in overall value. You can pick one up for $599 new, and that's a damn good deal for a new speaker cab. Considering the the Marshall 1960BV cab is the same thing with $40 more worth of speakers (but will run you between $200-$250 more in price), you really can't complain about the "value for price" of this cab...as long as you don't expect it so sound a way it's not made to. Don't listen to Godsmack and expect this cab to "boom" like that. Listen to an Iced Earth album. Then you'll hear what the cab is supposed sound like.

Mine is a 2003 1960 4x12 straight front with the castors and the inputs as 4 or 16 ohm I believe ..stereo/mono...the usual speaker cabinet stuff.

I am using a Les Paul Gothic with EMG 81/85...PRS Tremonti switched out PRS pickups for EMG's and ESP EC 1000 w/ EMG's. I play Hard Rock, modern metal styles. I run this with a Mesa Dual Recto w/Groove Tube el34's and a BBE Sonic Max.(DON"T LEAVE HOME WITHOUT IT) ... This cabinet is a great cabinet I have enjoyed playing it very much but as some have said it does break out a little at high volume and that started to bother me when playing in my last band. Clean is great,as is the distortion also but as before high volumes broke up a little. It is a Marshall and has that great Marshall sound. Yes the distortion is brutal, and comparing to the Mesa 4x12 is a different story all together.

Not a single problem.

Never had to use any of Marshall's support service.

I would have to say an 8 for overall. It is a great Cab and sounds good with the Mesa Dual Recto (You just have to have Patience with it!!) You Can "tweak" the head to help a lot with the breaking up of the low end. I just went and bought a Mesa Standard Recto 4x12 and of course there is a difference(the quality materials is my #1 noticable difference) I did keep my Marshall and plan to use both...but to anyone in the same boat....just have patience with the Marshall it is a great cab.

Switchable stereo and mono operation. It's a stock Marshall cabinet, it looks to built well and has been reliable so far (owned for 3 years)

I really have a hard time not liking the sound of this cabinet. I tend to use a more mid heavy guitar tone as opposed to a bass heavy tone (ala Dual Rectifier) and it suits my musical tastes just fine. The highs are very crisp and the mids cut through the most dense mix. i have noticed the dead zone so to speak in front of the cab. It seems if you stand next to it it sounds alot more harsh than if you go out front and listen to it from an audience point of view. It's a odd thing maybe its the straight design opposed to the slant, but as a whole I think the straight cabs are warmer and have more kick that the slant cabs. I think it depends on how you like your tone so to speak, my cousin is way more of a metal guy than myself and he thinks it's too weak when he plays it but loves the sound of it when I play it. When I play his rig It sounds like a bass to me and to me a guitar shouldn't sound like that, that is what the bass guitar is for. i should mention that I'm using this in conjunction with a straight cab with greenbacks and a DSL 50 watt head and a JCM800 2204 head ran in stereo. I mainly use PRS MCCarty or Fender Strat guitars.

Aside form your std. tolex tears and scuffs it has held up to 3 shows a week for the past three years. I did rework some of the screws holding the back panel on, some of them weren't even touching the wood!!!

Never Dealt with them

It's a Marshall and to me that screams Rock N' Roll. It's a solid cab with all the features you need to creat your signature sound. In my opinion it handles the proper amount of bass for a guitar and cuts extremely well. Wehn combined with the green back these speakers deliver all of the frequencies that a guitar is supposed to with excellent tone and to me that is what counts. Everyone has there own idea of tone and I have never liked the sound of the Rectifiers or the vintage 30's, these speakers combined with Marshall amps give me that classic marshal sound that everyone loves.

What features!? I can't even get a hi-fi sound out of this piece of crap. All the high harmonics are missing. Its like this thing was made for am radio.

Is it noisy? YES! But I guess that's what is currently POPULAR with the kids nowadays. The distortion is absolutely brutal. I play in a church and I swear, people were walking out. It was so darn loud that even the pastor came up to me halfway through the mass and got me to use my limiter pedal.

Well if by reliable you mean loud and disturbing, then yes.. this thing is very reliable. It will in fact get you fired from your church choir leader job though.

I must call Marshall about the hi-fi problem I'm having. It just doesn't seem to cut it for most hi-fi applications.

I would really have to get my head examined if I were to buy this thing again. I bet if you dropped it off a staircase, it would probably fall apart like a peice of crap. Well, I have to admit I really do love the sheer sound volume of it. I usually plug it in at my bedroom and go into the basement and play. I got a 30 meter guitar cord for this purpose.. and even got an audio jack in the wall so I can do this. Try it! You'll like it!

JCM 900 1960b Cab. 4 celestion 75watt speakers. Stereo/Mono option with 4, 8 and 16 ohms. It gets a 6 because it's a cabinet. How many features do you really need?

I think this thing sounds fucking awesome. Huge tone! Who would have thought a cab could make that much of a difference! I play an epiphone les paul custom with BBQ humbuckers through a boss tu-2, a bad horsie wah, a boss super chorus and then into a marshall jmp-1 preamp, which is powered by an Ampeg stereo power amp loaded with jj kt88's and ecc83s's. I play mainly metal/hardcore and I'm so happy I found this cabinet. It just has a huge sound to it. The bass is nice and tight, the mids are there, and the highs are crisp and well defined. I'm not sure why so many people have been slamming this cab. I think it handles the low end just fine. I mean it's a guitar cab not a bass enclosure. Even at dropped tunings (C and C#) this thing rocks and holds it's composure just fine. I personally find that those who go for a really bassy tone usually sound really nice by themselves, but put that tone in a band setting and it just doesn't cut through worth a shit.

I bought this thing used. It looks like it's seen a few shows in its day. The tolex is ripped in a few places. I'm thinking about just taking it off. Regardless, it sounds great. I could give a shit if it looks like a truck hit as long as it sounds this good. It's never shorted out on me or never been able to take what I can give it. It sounds better the louder it is. The only complaint would be about the tolex. It just seems like they don't put much into making sure the stuff stays on. Oh well, it doesn't affect the tone so I can live with it.

I've never dealt with them about the cabinet, but I've had questions about the JMP-1 before which I sent via email. Everytime I got a quick response and thorough answer. They've always been really nice.

I've been playing for about 14 years now and have only owned one other 4x12 in that time. It's a crate which is loaded with 50watt celestions, which sounds excellent. That's why I've had it so long. It just can't touch the Marshall though. I'm thinking about selling the crate and buying another 1960B and running them in stereo. I tried it with the crate but the Marshall just overpowers it. I've put it up against another crate with vintage 30's in it and a mesa recto cab and I just love the sound of the Marshall better. It's tighter, more focused and just warmer and natural sounding with an amazing crunch factor. It's a bottom cab so it's a little heavy on the bass side. I tweaked the presence on the preamp and the power amp and that was the end of that. I wanted a cab with a fuller, bigger sound and this is it. I couldn't be happier.

This is an acoustically treated cab done by Voodoo Amps. Pretty standard 4x12 cabinet with all GH-t75 speakers.. Mono (16ohm) or stereo (2x8ohm) operation. No change from stock in features.

This cab in it's stock form sounded pretty harsh / and was a little lacking in the bottom end dept. Trace fied all that, this thing now shakes the house down, with improved clarity and feel.

No change from stock. I will always slam Marshall for their rippable, seemingly cheap tolex that looks awesome whe you fist get it, but a few gigs later the rips just keep on coming. Asthetics aside, seems to be built like a tank. Trace also re-enforced every little screw in the cab.

In case you haven't heard, Trace and co. absolutely rule in this dept.

This thing rocks now, to put it simply. The bass response and clarity have improved so much, I doubt I'll look for another cab for a long time, unless it's no longer practical for a 4x12. Than it'll be Voodoo 2x12 all the way.

Everybody is familiar with marshall cabs so I won't bore you with the details, not that there's many anyway, it's a 412 cab stereo/mono yada yada, they look real good from about 10 feet away, super mean and metal looking. Up close they look cheap and gimicky

No other word for, these cabinets sound like ass. They suck. They cannot, repeat cannot handle any bass, they fart out at high volume and they color your guitar tone something aweful. I bought 2 brand new, all excited about the tonal bliss I was about to experience. What a nightmare. We went through our set at rehearsal, one song with the marshalls, then again with the carvin 412's they were replacing. Then repeated the process for several songs, though it only took one song to realize that the carvins blew the marshalls away. I have no idea why. Carvins are like one step down from peavey and (at least I thought) about 20 steps down from a marshall. Guess again. The carvins had a more brutal sounding distortion, didn't fart out loud and even had a much better clean sound. I don't know anything about the 100watt brittish series speakers in the carvin, but they blow the marshall 75 watt celestians away. Maybe older marshalls were THE SHIT, but these new ones are just shit period. Don't buy them.

only had them 2 days. Thank god for guitar centers lax return policy. I did worry about the cheesy plastic handles. They felt like they were going to crack when I picked the cabs up. And cloth grills have got to go, period!!!!

like I said, only had these 90 pound paper weights for 2 days

Nothing looks better than a marshall stack. Too bad you can't get by on looks alone

standard 4 x 12 marshall cab,made late 90's,4 castors,2 side handles,2 inputs with stereo and mono switch.it has enough features for a cab.its covered in that black elephant skin type cover which is shit as it easily ripps.these things should be covered in soft pvc type coating as they are always getting abused when moved.

i play mostly metal such as slipknot,machine head,pantera,slayer.
heavy as hell palm muting fast crunchy fat riffs.i play various mahogony guitars all fitted with emg-81 pick ups,through a marshall 9200 power amp into a pod pro through fx loop of boss gx-700.then through a behringer 32 band eq.my stereo output goes into marshall 4 x 12(v30's) and marshall 4 x 12 (g12t75-the one im reviewing).
when i first got this cab i had my volume turned up about just under half way with the bass right up and it sounded great-fat,bassy,chunky fat crunch-yes.until my drummer started playing,then my bass player oh and then some grunter starts to sing-shit i cant hear myself and they cant here me-ok i'll just turn up a bit,a bit more-no right up.the bass started to flap and fart my speakers to hell,so i turned the bass down,well right down actually=no fat bassy sound,no fat crunch,no muscle and 1 pissed off guitarist.i just cant handle bass at high volumes and every other marshall user will agree with me.a cab should be able to handle the right amount of bass compared to how much high and mids you have-this cab does'nt.the projection aint to great either,the sound sort of stays with the speakers and doesnt fill the room.
do yourself a favour and listen to what i have done.no i havent brought a mesa cab(who has that amount of money for something thats just gonna get knocked about to shit)take the back of your cab off and insert wood around the edges basically when re-fitted it will be deeper.holly shitttttttttttttt this really works,it can produce and handle the bass at high volume and doesnt fart out-its great it also helps projection as you can have more bass which makes it easier to hear.if you want the dimensions to what i did then e-mail peterlynsey@HOTMAIL.COM.it costs only about 2 pounds for the wood and 5 for spray paint.i will rate it 3 and 8 now after mod.

if you drive it into a brick wall then you will fuck it up.its gonna get bumped and chipped and ripped so be prepared.i've had it 3 years and its never stopped working,castors are still working.

never used them but if you want info on modifying it or about the speakers contact drdecibal@celestion.com.he always answer my boring long e-mails about anything.

i think marshall are stuck in the dark ages when it comes to cabs.they've been making the same cabs for the last 30 years.
the cab is great cosmetic wise but it just cant handle todays music,i want to turn up to practice or gig,turn on and sound fuckin huge.
it does now after the mod but thats what i've done and i dont know shit about sound engineering,says alot about marshall.

celestions, straight front, tolex, casters, switchable mono stereo jacks

I use a 61' reissue gibson SG with classic 57' humbuckers into a Peavet 5150, Alesis Compressor, and BBE Sonic MAXI.
It has a much tigter sound than my other Jackson USA cabinet, but it is not as bassy. I play hardcore punk so without sounding to lame bass is important to me. But I play with the cabinet sideways on top of my rack so it hels with the bass response.

yeah definetly strong. Not as strong as my jackson cab, but it prolly ways 50 pounds less, wich is one of the reasons i bought it.

It had been previously used once for a blues convention and returned with a handle broken off. So Im gonna plug Marshall for a new handle. ill se how it goes

I love the tightness oof the sound but I wish it had more bass flexibility. if it where stolen i would find another used one and buy it with the insurance money...its all about finding top quality usd equipment, and saving

stereo/mono switch,loud as hell.It's a Marshall cab,what else can you say?

I run a Sansamp psa-1 into a Marshall 8008 power amp,then into the Marshall cab.I use a Jackson U.S.A Randy Rhoads model with EMG pickups.Plain and simple.I play brutal thrash/death type metal music.This cab is perfect.The low end is tight and full bodied chords are very clear.Mesa fans might not like it because it's more cutting and choppy as opposed to bassy and a little more loose.I'm not doggin' Mesa,I just prefer Marshall cabs.

No problems so far.

Haven't had to deal with them yet.

Long story short.I will always use these cabs unless something better comes along,which is a long time coming.

300 watts rms 4 75 watt celestions. stereo or mono straight front.

Playin hard rock and other styles thru a 60 watt blue voodoo. This cab made my amp sound totally differet from before (marshall 2x12 cab)
lotsa headroom. Overall well balance sounds but if you push the bass alot it can get loose sounding (partly due to my head). Sounds really clear for both clean and distorted tones with good headroom.

Just got 2 yesterday

just bought them used.

NIce piece to have if you play heavy music. sounds fuller than the slant cabs.

I bought it new, in a cardboard box. It's lighter than my 1960A, took the passenger seat out of my Jetta and it fits right in there. In stereo mode you have 2 speakers on the left & 2 on the right working independently, 8 ohms each side. In mono mode one jack becomes a 4 ohm mono input(all speakers) and the other is a 16 ohm input(all).

Humbucking bolt on guitars. It has the regular 75 watt Celestions in it. I looked into the BV but I have enough high end going on, the greenbacks sounded a little thin to me. I play rock or pop rock. I use a lot of distortion and these sound great to me.

The wheels roll alot better than my old '84 1960A cab. I don't know how to rate this category. After owning a 1960 A for 17 years and not having a problem I'd expect the same.

Been playing 22 years or so. I love everything about it. I wouldn't buy another brand unless I came into some money and bought a Bogner head or something and wanted matching cabs. To me the Marshall stack has always said 'ROCK'. Sad to say but the cosmetics had something to do with it!