Godin LGX

I've got a Godin LGX Canadian/American made in the cognacburst finish with quilted maple top. It vaguely resembles a Les Paul but contoured differently, especially the ergonomically-conscious back. The neck and body are mahogany, fret board is rosewood, strings through body. This guitar has three inputs one dedicated to the humbuckers, one for the transducer and one that combines both.

By the number on the headstock, I've assuming it's a '99. Its two Seymour-Duncan humbuckers (Jazz II at the neck, special Custom Custom at the bridge) are controlled by a 5-way switch along with a volume, tone and third knob to balance the acoustic and electric sounds.. A three-way switch selects either humbucker/Humbucker-Piezeo/Piezeo mode. The tone from the L.R. Baggs transducers can be shaped by a three-channel EQ set in the upper section of the body

The on-locking 16:1 tuning heads are diamond shaped, flat black and made by Schaller as the locking-strap attachments. The 22 fret neck is thin and surprisingly fast; it's inlays are smaller than usual (and offset.) The neck itself has a semi-satin finish that feels almost frictionless. It came with a good quality hard-case when purchased .

Tons of options here; moving from a short-scale Strat-styled guitar I noticed a huge difference in tone; the LGX being a more full, focused sound; warm, thick yet still lively enough for ghost-harmonics at will and plenty of sustain. Most of the stuff I play is 70's hard rock influenced (Sabs, Lizzy, Heep, Budgie, Queen, ect.) and this guitar handles the variations in sound easily. I usually play the humbuckers using the bridge p/u for rhythm, the neck for leads but often mix in the transducer bridge at a thirty per cent blend when I want extra depth..

Playing through a Line 6 Spider 212 off the Mesa-Boogie/Insane modes the neck pick-ups produce a searingly hot, fluid tone (I?m reminded of something between Dave Murrey and Leslie West leads) while those on the bridge give me a terrifying crunch with low-end chords especially ringing and resonant. In short, this guitar looks too beautiful for the unexpectedly heavy sound it's capable of.

The tone control actually gives enough noticeable variance in tone for me to switch from Rhythm to Lead without changing pickups if I like. With my set up, the LGX is perfectly noiseless on setting 1, 3 and 5. There is some hum on settings 2 and 4 but nothing severe. Oddly enough, when blending in the transducer on these settings I lose the hum.

This guitar also produces expressive and wide-ranging sounds when playing off the Spider's clean or less distorted channels. With all this character, it's definitely a guitar for all seasons

When played exclusively, the acoustic sound is full and comparable to an electric-acoustic (considering it's coming from a solid-body.) The transducer's influence when melded with the humbuckers is more subtle, adding an extra-dimension to the sound. With my settings the only way I can describe it is as a piano-esque kind of undertone...still more experimenting to be done in this area.

When I purchased this guitar used; it came with a small ding under the 5-way (that I subsequently retouched to near-invisibility) and several surface dents in the finish (again, visible only when sought for.) The chrome covers for the humbuckers were worn from the previous owner's heavy hand and the back of the neck was fairly gummy. The latter was taken care of via the cautious use of damp 0001 steel wool (always with the grain!) and its natural satin-finish was reclaimed. Still, this neck requires more attention than normal to keep it clean and fast. If I could let the guitar out of my hand for three weeks I'd send it in to be restored to perfection but at this point, I'll stick with the imperfections and keep it close by.

I've no complaints about the set-up and there are no flaws to worry about; there's a little fret-wear but no need for a re-crowning yet. The finish on this guitar feels soft, almost pliable, and seems vulnerable to mars and scratches than other guitars out there. That said, this axe's bookmarking is exceptionally well matched and if the cognacburst finish continues to hypnotize me with its depth and warmth, the quilted maple-top blows my mind.

PS: when you consider the grain and colour of the mahogany, even the back of this guitar is amazing.

This is a solid piece of wood well equipped to stand the rigours of gigging. The Schaller hardware and hand construction encourages me to think it will age well. The softness of the finish aside, as long as you don't grind it into things, it seems nicely durable. At five years old, my LGX looks great even with its small scratches. It tunes up beautifully, stays in tune through all sorts of mayhem and I've yet to break a string. Unlike other reviewers, my five-way switch is working fine and I'd have no hesitation bringing it to a gig without backup. I would take the precaution of putting a fresh 9 volt in before a live performance as a weak battery noticeably detracts from the guitar's clarity and sustain.

Haven't had need to contact Godin CS. Would like to seem more information (perhaps a model archive) on the Godin website...

I've played guitar/bass for about 15 years. My six-strings have included a Yamaha 350 SE, `94 Gibson Explorer and an '83 Ibanez Roadstar. When searching for a new axe I was looking for certain qualities including humbucking pick-ups (preferably SD's), a rosewood fretboard, mahogany body and a piezeo unit if possible. In my lengthy quest I researched and play-tested a MusicMan Axis Pro (nice, but not nice enough to justify the price) some PRS's (ibid; check out Ed Roman's critique at Ed Roman's Guitars,) some Parker Fly's (was warned off by reputed bridge problems), an Ibanez Jet King (drawn by the look) a handful of Les Paul's and SG's as well as other Godin models including the Solidac SD and LGXT. When I spotted my LGX and saw that it had all the components I wanted, I hoped it played as well as it looked. It did and the contest was over. That I saved $600 Cdn. on the listed price because of the ding was icing on the cake. Eight months later and I'm even more infatuated with it than ever. By chance or design, I feel like I've come across the perfect guitar for me: great sounding, great looking, top-notch components. If lost or stolen I'd definitely want to replace it with the same model; but as the two-voice LGX has been discontinued, I?ll be taking care the situation never arises.

Made in Canada from US components apparently. All the components are of a very high quality Mahagony body with a fantastic quilted maple top, I think the finish was called "sunrise" and is like a muted version of the more common sunburst theme. The body style is like a cross between a telecaster and a Les Paul, access to the higher frets is not that good. The neck is also mahogany with a tung oil finish and a rosewood fingerboard. Two Seymour Duncan humbuckers with a five position switch that gives single coil and double coil sounds, plus an in bridge piezo pickup with a three band EQ. Three output jacks, one for just magnetic pickups, one for just piezo, and one for both combined. When this jack is used you can select the pickupps with a toggle switch and then blend the amount of input with a knob. Grover machine heads. It came with a very good rectangular case.

The best thing about this guitar is the variety of sounds you can get. Strong, clear single coil or humbucker sounds with the magnetic pickups, plus a reasonable acoustic sound from the piezo, plus the ability to blend the two together makes it very versatile. I've played this guitar a lot in church bands for everything from soft contemporary songs to driving R&B and for this it is very good, especially as in my opinion the neck and body shape make it more suitable for rhythym playing than lead. For lead playing though I don't like it very much. I usually run it in to two amps, a Laney acoustic amp for the piezo, and a Marshall valvestate 40 for the Seymour Duncans and with this combination the sound quality and rnage of options is very good. The pickups are very quiet, but when I first got it there was an annoying noise that turned out to be the piezo picking up some movement in the strap button, and this needs to be tightened periodically.

The quality of the finish of the body was excellent. The neck finish was good except for a bit of excess glue on some of the frets that was very suprising on an instrument of this quality. The action was a bit high but was modified by the shop and is now quite low, but it still feels heavy to play even with 10 guage strings. The frets are a bit thin for my liking too and the fingerboard texture a bit open and grainy for smooth bends. As mentioned above the strap button on the top horn was a bit loose, otherwise the set up was good.

The finish is very durable and despite having had a few knocks there are no marks at all after 3 years of live playing. The five way selector switch has become a bit dodgy when selecting the neck humbucker and it needs to be jiggled a bit sometimes to make the contact. Stays in tune very well. I've never needed to use a backup, though I always take one as insurance.

The shop I bought it from was great. But I wanted to find out about the pickup wiring as it is still a mystery to me as to what the middle position of the 5 way switch selects, so I contacted the local distributor. They were friendly but didn't know and said the product information from Godin didn't include this information. I then checked the Godin website which didn't have the information either, so I emailed them. I also emailed them about the issue with the strap button and also to tell them how happy I was with the guitar when I first got it. Nearly three years later I'm still waiting for a reply.

I have been playing for nearly 25 years and have owned about 15 guitars. This was the most expensive but certainly not the best. The sound options and quality are so good, it's a shame it is let down by the stodgy feel of the neck and stiff action. A terrific guitar for rhythym playing.

Bought in 1999 in USA (Aurora IL.
Best combination of electic with piezo I could find.
was delighted with i at the time and have never regretted it.
it's an awsome electric (especially in humbucker mode) and as a reasonable shot at acoustic with the piezo. (Ok it's NOT a semi and never could be).

My Style - all over the shop. I do R&R lead, finger picking, strum etc.
This guitar is superb for any electric type application and pretty damned good in acoustic mode. It won't replace 3 other guitars, but is a very good compromise.

In my opinion, a totally different class than new Fenders etc - mine was superb - absolutely no faults I could find (and I'm picky).

I don't gig and I am careful, but the build looks good enough to last.

Not tried.

25 yrs+ experience.
I've owned a number of Strats, various oter electrics, a Lowden acoustic and a Yamaha classic.
If I had to keep just one guitar, I'd scream and scream for a month and then keep this guitar. Godin are hugely under-rated.

This LGX was made in 2002. the parts for Godin guitars are made in Canada (i forget what city exactly) and then are assembled here in the US (in New Hampsire, i think)

my guitar came with a trans. blue finish over a REALLY nice solid AAA quilted maple top. the body of the guitar is made of 2 pieces of mahogany (which also looks very nice). the neck is 22 frets and is made of mahogany as well (i believe it's a 1-piece neck as well).

this guitar has 2 seymour duncan humbuckers (a specially modified custom custom in the bridge position--they call it the "custom custom custom" on the website LOL and a jazz II in the neck). these pickups are routed to a 5-position switch--position 1 is the bridge pickup-humbucking mode, position 2 is bridge pickup-single coil mode, position 3 is the inside coils of the neck and bridge pickups running out-of-phase, position 4 is the neck pickup-single coil mode, and position 5 is the neck humbucker. the tone for these pickups is handled by your standard single guitar tone knob. also, there's only one volume knob

in addition, this guitar has an L.R. Baggs piezo transducer system mounted under the saddles in the bridge. there is a battery-powered 3-band EQ (low, mid, and high cut/boost) that controls the tone of this pickup. also, there's a separate volume control for the acoustic pickup and a separate knob (next to the main tone control for the magnetic pickups) that controls the mix of acoustic/electric sound when you're running the guitar through the mixed output jack (or when you're running the electric jack to your electric amp and the acoustic jack to an acoustic amp or the PA system)

my LGX also came with a really nice wooden godin case (covered in black tolex)

in short, this guitar is completely loaded with features--in fact i've never encountered a guitar with so many before

man oh man, this is where this guitar really shines!

i bought this axe because i'm into a lot of different styles of music and i'm a big fan of versatility--i play everything from heavy metal to classic rock to jazz to funk to classical. i figured this guitar would be the perfect complement to my line 6 amp (which i also bought for its versatility and sounds awesome, but that's another review altogether :oP)

the first time i ever played this guitar i was amazed by how resonant and solid it felt--when i played a chord i could feel the vibrations from it ringing all throughout the intstrument. even acoustically i could tell it was going to sound amazing! when i plugged in i was thoroughly amazed--the guitar has a very even, full sound that's not too bright and not too dark (even though the entire thing's made out of mahogany). the bridge pickup really shows its true colors here--its sound is defined and expressive, even when you back off on the volume knob. in fact, this is how i get some of my favorite tones--i like to use the Marshall JCM-800 amp model on my line 6 and when i roll back my volume it cleans up the sound beautifully but still bites when i dig into the strings.

currently, i'm playing in a heavy metal band that plays music in the style of iron maiden/guns n' roses/black label society/meshuggah/all kinds of crazy shit and i must say this guitar totally rocks--i'm totally amazed how heavy and ballsy the pickups sound without losing clarity, even at high distortion. when i play big chords, they sound absolutely huge. when i do really tight palm-muting (speed-metal style) the guitar sounds exceptionally tight.

i also jam out in a jazz/fusion band every now and then and this guitar continues to shine like the sun--the jazz II pickup in the neck really lives up to its name: it has a great jazzy "thunk" to it but doesn't sound overly muffled or bottom-heavy. if fact, it has quite a unique sound--biting and quacky when you boost the treble on your amp, but also very mellow and smooth as silk when you back off on the volume knob or roll off the treble with the volume knob. also, the acoustic pickup really functions well in this setting--especially when it's mixed with the neck pickup. for lack of a better term, it really "shimmers"--i know this is cliche in describing an acoustic pickup but it's the truth; it's just as clean and heavenly-sounding as you can imagine. the EQ controls for this pickup also work wonders...it's astounding the variety these controls can give.

the single-coil modes for the humbucking pickups aren't really anything to write home about (especially the single coil on the bridge), however the neck single coil does a pretty impressive job mimicing a strat sound, especially when you're playing loud. by no means would these sounds make me get rid of my stratocaster, but they're handy when it's not feasible to switch guitars in the middle of a song (or solo) and you need a stratty sound

i bought this guitar used (on ebay) so i really can't comment on how it was set up from the factory...

however, when i got it, it played like a dream--the only thing i altered was lowered the action a little bit.

one of the more astounding things i've noticed about the guitar is how dead-on the intonation is...i can play octaves or chords just about anywhere on the neck and they're dead in tune! also, the tuning machines included with the guitar are great--it rarely slips out of tune on me and the machine heads themselves have a nice solid feel to them.

however, i do have some complaints about the pickup selector and volume knob...

like many other LGX owners, i'm not terribly happy with the pickup selector--it's noisy and tends to cut out when switing pickups (especially when switing from the bridge all the way to the neck)--that is, when i switch pickups, sometimes the sound cuts out altogether and i have to jiggle the knob a little bit to get it to make a good connection. i plan to have the switch replaced eventually, however i'm a college student and thus have no money for such things LoL

as for the volume knob, it funtions just fine as i turn it up from 0 all the way to about 9, but then it makes the guitar signal cut out when i turn it all the way up--it doesn't always to this, but it does it just enough to where i'm always weary of diming the guitar. once again, i plan to have the pot replaced eventually

on the whole the guitar has a very tight, well-finished feel but the electronics leave something to be desired.

i've had this guitar for about 9 months now and have played it live more than 10 times and it's always worked flawlessly! with the exception of the aforementioned difficulty with the electronics, the hardware seems good and sturdy and like it will last a long time. the finish on the guitar seems very strong as well--i tend to jump around a lot and be pretty rough when i'm playing in my heavy metal band but the guitar looks no worse for the wear--no scratches, dings, nada. the only cosmetic complaint i have is that the smoked chrome finish they put on the humbucker covers is wearing off where i rest my hand on the bridge pickup, but that's to be expected from all the nasty oils, etc. skin puts out

i usually bring a backup guitar to gigs just in case i break a string, however i've played gigs without a backup and this guitar has worked like a charm--no problems whatsoever. like i said, it feels solid and will most likely be a good friend for the next many years

i've never dealt with the company

i've been playing the guitar for 7 years now and have owned a few other axes over the years--i started out on a peavey predator (woo!) and moved up to a japanese jackson dinky reverse (actually quite a good guitar) which i've both since sold, i now have a fender american standard stratocaster and a taylor 310 acoustic that i love and cherish, along with my godin.

overall, i'd say i'm completely overjoyed with this guitar--i searched long and hard (i'm talkin' every weekend for about a year) for a nice guitar that was this versatile, comfortable, and great-sounding. i considered buying gibson, parker, PRS, american-made jackson, and a shitload of other brands before finally choosing the LGX. i finally chose this guitar because it had all the features i wanted, it sounded great, it felt great, and was REALLY reasonably priced.

if it were lost or stolen i'd definitely buy a new one as quickly as possible--i plan to have this guitar for years to come...i have a feeling this is one i'll never sell or get rid of!

So its always the question what do you want. What you've gut by buying a LGX is a combination of wonderful warm and strong les paul like sounds and a not to be sneezed at acustic sound. So it completes my sound at the stage. I used an Framus acoustic amp and an fender deville 410 with an Hughes&Kettener tubefactor. So its ounds perfect.

very good product. The one and only drawback is, that the switcher isn't as good as the rest of the guitar.

This one was build in 2000, AA Quilted Trans Amber top, very beautiful. Magahony body, also beautiful! I got it last week (Aug 2003).

It has two passive Seymour Duncan pickups and also a active piezo bridge for acoustic sound. Three outputs: electr, mixed electr/ac, ac

I traded this new guitar for a used Telecaster Custom ('75)

I use it for rock, blues...over a vintage Fender Bassman tube-amp.

It has a very clear Fender-like sound, but also a more thick Les Paul-sound. The piezo is very good, a very good acoustic sound, which can be nicely mixed with the Seymour Duncan pickups. It is useful to first read the instruction about the way the pickups are switched. A good amp is preferred to check out what this guitar can do / sound. I never played it 'stereo' (over two amps (electrc and acoustic) or electr. amp and acoustic over PA) but this seems to give a very powerful overwhelming sound...So i have to check that out soon!

The action is very good, very good sustain (even un-amplified). This is a vry smooth player (best i ever played), everything is very well adjusted.

All the used materials seem to be the finest selection (wood, pickups, knobs, frets, everything is perfect now), but time will learn

Asked them some questions about the guitar, they were very kind and helpful. But never seriously had to deal with them so what can i say...

I play guitar for about 6 years now. Also own a Musicman Silhouette (SSS) and e Gibson SG Special Faded. Every one is great (for each purpose), but the LGX is the most complete guitar. Perfect studio guitar but also very handy on stage (switching alectric and acoustic)

AAA figured maple top. mohogany body and neck. rosewood fretboard. 25.5" scale, 22 frets. Look at the other reviews for controls and features, absolutely awesome versatility, just any sound you want. the custom seymour duncan pickups are awesome, and the L.R. Baggs Transducer Saddles are sooo nice. i like the contols, expecially the mix knob to control acoustic/electric sounds to make some really complex arrangements. if you just want some crisper bottom end in your electric sound just turn off the treble and mid on the acoustic and mix it in!

i've never owned a guitar that played and sounded as nice as this one. i go to guitar stores all the time, and play other guitars. i'm always just waitin to get home so i can play my guitar.

great action and intonation. i love the low-fit design of the guitar, everything is sunken into the face. much more comfortable to play than a gibson.

i have regretably beaten the crap out of this guitar, and yet she still loves me. the only bugger i have is with the 9v battery for the acoustic pickups. when that thing starts to go, you know it. other than that i would take this guitar to any gig without a backup. in fact, i always do. all i need is a fresh battery and a set of strings put on 2 days prior and i'm in heaven. it just doesn't get any better than that.

joey greco, a godin product specialist spoke to me about the guitar, and really knew what he was talkin about. good guitarist too. i don't see why they discontinued it for the solidac. that guitar is far less versatile than this one. the seymour duncans are half the beauty of it.

if this guitar were stolen, i would replace it with a godin lgx in a natural burst. that's the only regret i have, is i'd rather have a natural burst than the deep red i have. however, it was listed at $2,239 and was marked down to $1199........so i really couldn't argue with the colour at that point. awesome sustain, playability, look, feel.....i can't get enough. no other guitar compares to this one.

25 1/5" scale rosewood bolt on neck. Two piece rock maple body with a cognac burst finish. Seymour Duncan JB pickup on the bridge and SD Jazz on the neck. 5 way switch: Bridge Humbucker, Bridge Single Tap, Both Humbuckers, Neck Single Tap, Neck Humbucker. Volume and Tone. Piezo pickups on the bridge (for a quasi acoustic sound) with Volume, Treble, Middle, Bass controls and an extra fader knob to mix the two types of sounds (regular electric pickups and the piezos). Three cable connections, one all electric, one piezo, and a stereo that kicks in the fader knob.

I wanted a guitar that would allow me to quickly change from an acoustic sound to an electric sound. I had played LGXs, Godin Solidacs, Mexican Teles with piezos, and Ernie Balls. Although I liked the Ernie Balls better in the store, I found a great deal on this LGX used (ebay), so I pulled the trigger. Once I got it on my rig at home, it was so much better than the ones in the store. The range of tones on this instrument is nothing less than incredible. Better yet, on a good amp, these Seymour Duncans just sing. I couldn't be happier.

Since I bought this used, there were a couple of problems (the neck had some warpage which a truss rod adjustment took care of -- thankfully -- a bad pickup selector which I will soon replace, and there is a small blemish on the back). This is a truly beautiful guitar though, and would be incredible new. The neck is very nice and plays well, but not as well as my Les Paul -- but I like shorter necks, and this one isn't.

For me, so far so good. As a matter of fact, I really feel that this guitar wasn't cared for by the previous owner as well as I would have done myself. The warpage of the neck and the bad switch when I got it indicates that it was left lying around for a long time. New ones I have played don't have any problems.

The guitar is clearly well built, and problems I initially had with it shouldn't be attributed to Godin. On the contrary, I was able to put it in good condition with relative ease -- that's a sign of good worksmanship.

Godin replied to my e-mail about parts pretty promptly. That's a good sign.

I've been playing for around 35 years and have owned many guitars and amps. I bought this guitar thinking that I might turn right back around and sell it again. NO WAY NOW. I'm absolutely blown away by the sound. This will soon be one of my two favorite guitars (I have a Les Paul that plays like butter, but it doesn't have anywhere near the sound quality or versatility of this Godin). If it was stolen, I'd have to sell the car to get another one. It's that good.

With a cherryburst finish on a AAA flamed-maple top, my 2001 model LGX (parts made in Canada, assembled in USA) is simply one of the most beautiful guitars I've ever seen. It has endless configurations with the 5 way pickup selecter for the 2 Seymour Duncan humbuckers, volume and tone controls, and a 3 way switch to choose between the Seymour Duncans, the acoustic bridge, or a blend of them both. The body is a mix of a strat and a les paul. Some other features are the Sperzel locking tuners, 22 medium frets, a string-thru body, 3 outputs (electric, blend, and acoustic), and a free Godin hardshell case.

I play anything from Dave Matthews Band to Metallica, and it suits my every need. I usually play through a 15 watt Marshall, and even through that it gets an almost perfect acoustic sound. The Seymour Duncans give the best sound I have ever heard. It doesnt get any better than this.

One of my favorite features of the guitar is the incredibly low action. You breathe on it and it could make the sound. Everything is perfect on this guitar except for a very minor flaw. There is some fret buzzing, but it in no way has any effect of the sound coming out of the amp.

I've had it for about a month and a half, and I've never had to retune it once. I expect everything will stay exactly the way it is, no problems.

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I've been playing for about a year, and since this I've only had a Hofner 12 string. There is no guitar that can match up to this one except for the more expensive Godin models. I would get one of these as soon as I could if i lost it. In my search for the perfect electric guitar, I looked at ESP, Carvin, Gibson, Fender, Jackson, and many others. I got lucky when a friend recommended Godin, i wouldn't trade it in for any other electric, and I couldn't recommend any other guitar to anyone, no matter what style of music you play.

Already covered in other submissions for LGX. 2000 model (Canada) Two Seymore Duncan Humbuckers with Smoke finish,Piezo, 3 inputs, 3 band acoustic equalizer in body. 22 fret,Black peghead tuners (nice touch AAA quilted top with transparent blue finish. The neck is a nice size, very comparable to a strat but slightly meatier. Hard Godin square case.

I play in a church environment and use the Godin from heavy crunch rhythm to very light acoustic. Even some finger picking. I use a Yamaha DG stomp and run two cables from the Piezo out and the humbucker out to a Behringer mixer. Separate inputs and mix them down, onstage, to an aux send out to a trace acoustic cube monitor and a single out direct to the PA. The Godin has a very nice bottom and rings like a bell when capoed. This guitar's sound is great all around. It emulates a Strat very well but only approaches the heavy drive of a Les Paul. No compromise on the Strat but some on the Les Paul. You can also get a very nice mellow jazz sound from this guitar. Outstanding

The action is very low and comfortable with a fast neck. Again, a lot like a strat. I bought the guitar used so I am not sure how the setup from the factory was. The quality of the materials is pretty unbelievable for a guitar in this price range. The faux maple binding is a visual staining trick and not actual binding. There was some slight bleeding in a few spots into the natural maple color. But an absolutely beautiful guitar.

Outstanding in the six months I have been using it. I use it at a gig with my 12 string as a backup, but I wouldn't play any guitar without a backup. Locking strap buttons very solid. The finish is very nice and has resisted wear to date.

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I have been playing off an on for 20 years but very seriously now for a year and a half. I have a number of very high end guitars including a Gretsh 1961 Nashville Chet Atkins. I compared this with the Brian Moore and found this to be a better guitar for less money. I love the ability to switch instantly from heavy electric to acoustic. Just drop the Humbucker volume and raise the acoustic volume on the guitar top. You can also blend the humbucker and Piezo. I don't dislike anything about this guitar much less hate anything.