Gretsch 6119 Tennessee Rose

2002, same as all the others only nicer. Dark-cherry finish.

I am 16 years old, but have played for many years all the same, and I've been saving money for the 'perfect' guitar since the fourth grade, and this was the one. No one guitar should be expected to cover everything, but as far as pure tone goes, Gretsch is the best. If you put the mids up and play rhythm it sounds simmilar to the 'bell' sound of a rickenbacker. This also has the best lead sound i've ever heard. The treble notes always ring clearly.

When i first played this guitar at GC, it wasn't great. I asked them when they were getting another in, and they said after they sold this one. So, they amused me by resetting the neck angle which made it less stiff, but not perfect. they did this a couple more times, but ultimately they had to change it all again when they put my lighter (.10's) strings on. After all of that it was the best guitar i've ever played. I highly recomend .10's to anyone that plays in a live group and plays both lead and rhythm. Seems like a lot of people here use heavy flatwound strings, which i'm sure would sound very full, but the .10's sound full and are much more comfortable. The dark cherry finish is much nicer than the medium red, although i did like that too. The binding, frets, hardware, and finish were all flawless, I checked them in the store and at home.

This guitar is reliable and solid, however I always treat mine like a lady. Like i said before, I'm 16, there won't be another waiting for me. I was a bit unsure of the strap buttons at first, but they've actually been really good. It shows no sign of breaking down if you don't abuse it. I would gig with this guitar without a backup.

Cost me my life savings, but it really was worth it. This is the exact guitar I've always wanted. The best sound, and the best playing guitar i've found. This isn't for most people, its a lot bigger than the most commonly played guitars. The best advice I can offer is that if you like the gretsch tone, play all the different models you can find, and once you've found one you like, play a few of that model and you'll have a guitar you can play for the rest of your life.

GRETSCH TENNESSEE ROSE
Japan /22 Frets/ mahagoni finish/ (Master,pu1,pu2,stndby,tone,puselec)
Filtertrons
inkl. case

fender TWIN
much sound varieties...
even hardcore ... heavy sounds experimental metal etc.

strapbottons broke out of the woud ...
bridge wasted ...
frets are to weak ... have to change it all

fragile but rock'n'roll

I live i austria...
no support

but there arent much things that could have to be repaired

I'm playing for 7 years
very cool guitar ... but sometimes i wish it would be an old one ...
even if the new one has an better durabillity...

If you own an gretsch than enoy it ! IDIOT!

Built in 2000. It is the standard Tennessee Rose. Two Filter-Tron pickups, Bigsby Trem, chrome hardware, cherry finish.

Sound great to me!

I play the Gretsch through a Peavey Classic 50 2X12 combo and even without effects it sounds just superb. It's the first Gretsch I've owned and I love it. I even prefer to keep this on during a gig whn I'm supposed to have swapped to my Strat. One day I'll expect to play it for an entire gig!

Plenty of top and some growling bass from this baby. I usually use the both pickups and occasionally switch over to the bridge pu for some real twang.

I actually had to return the first one I bought. The neck was seriously warped!!! How on earth did that get through QA???

Still never mind, the second one issued to me was just perfect. Switches are fine and the finish is flawless.

Lasted for nearly 2 years now. No sign of fading. Strap buttons work fine and the finish is great.

Went through the dealer and distributor to get my new replacement. No problems with them but I do hear that Gretsch themselves are a touch arrogant and reclusive.

Been playing 30 years. I've owned Les Pauls, 335's, Firebirds, Strats, etc but no guitar before can beat the 110% pose value offered by this baby. Just leaving it on a guitar stand by my amp attracts many admirers, hardly need to play it to impress people.

I also love my Fender Strat Plus Deluxe for its pure versatility and playability, but that Gretsch is one hell of a looker!

1998 #6119 Tennessee Rose.

Made in Japan just like Sony, Nikon, Hitachi, NSX, Lexus, etc.

This guitar really ROCKS! Our band specializes in playing Classic 50/60's Rock & Roll where clean tone is premium. But we also slip into later Stones stuff and the like where overdrive is added to the signal. No matter becuase whatever you feed this guitar sounds GREAT!
I plug into either a '72 Deluxe Reverb, '68 Bassman or 2001 Roland JC-90. Again, this guitar just sounds incredibly good.

Not a single flaw that I can see. Just like a Nikon.

We gig about 20 times per year and stay around the San Francisco Bay Area, so I've never had to ship the guitar anywhere. So far I have not had a single problem. I never take a backup guitar to a gig and have never had a problem since I started gigging in 1964. This 6119 will keep my record intact! No problems with the strap buttons because I immediately installed strap locks on it when I bought it (I do that with all of my guitars).

No problems have come up yet, so I've never had to call the factory.

In my current stash are some Fender Custom Shop Strats and Teles, a great '67 ES-335, '61 Jazzmaster and a '66 Ricky 360-12. All of these guitars are currently sitting unused at gig time because I just really prefer the tone of this Gretsch! I bought mine used and whomever owned it before me had it set up just perfectly. Not a buzz despite low action. The Bigsby works great (I use it alot in my playing).

Of all my electrics, this one would be the toughest to ever lose for any reason. I would definitely buy another one as soon as possible.

If you're getting the idea I LOVE this guitar, you are correct! If you try one, you're missing out.

YEAR:
2000
MADE IN:
Japan
NECK:
- Laminated rock maple
- Rosewood ebony-stained fingerboard
- Adjustable truss rod
- 25-1/2" scale, joined at 14th fret
- Bound fingerboard
- Neo-classic position markers
- Black headpiece, pearl inlaid

* BODY:
- 16" side, 2-1/2" deep
- Laminated maple construction
- Open-bound, thin-style f-holes
- Multiple binding
- Single cutaway

* ELECTRONICS:
- Dual high sensitive FiltertronTM adjustable pickups
- Pickup selector switch
- Tone control
- Volume control for each pickup
- Master volume control

* FEATURES:
- Chrome-plated metal parts
- Solid brass control knobs, chrome-plated
- Deluxe high gear ratio enclosed machines
- Adjustamatic roller bridge with individual string adjustments
- Gretsch Bigsby vibrato tailpiece
- Dark cherry-red stain finish, hand polished
**** Would have been 10 if it had the standy switch!

I have always liked Gretsch Guitars. The general rule of thumb is that Gretches do one thing and do it well. I have to disagree. Gretsch players range from Chet Atkins to George Harrison to Neil Young to Malcom Young to Brian Setzer to etc.... I bought this guitar to bring on a summer "radio station" tour that featured 10 or 12 acts that had had hits. I was hired to play guitar. During rehersals, I intended to use a Tele (a 72 Keith Richards Model) and a Bigsby-equiped Les paul Standard. I brought in my other Gretsch (1959 6120) one day just for fun and it sounded great for the music. I was now faced with taking a $4000+ vintage guitar out on a tour or finding something similar.

I had heard alot aboput new Gretches, but was skeptical. I thought that they were too expensive for guitars made in Japan. I went into a store just to check them out. I had originally wanted a RI 6120, but started playing an Anniversary. It was great! Clear, ballanced, great sounding! The problem? No Bigsby. I figured I could get one installed. I went back a few hours later and tried the 6119. It was great and had the bigsby so I got it.

Is this guitar as cool as my 59? No way.

Is this guitar an easily replaceable, great sounding, sexy looking guitar? Absolutly!

This is the first new guitar that I have bought from a store in years. Most of my guitars are old. This feels great. It sounds very Gretsch. I can nail Chet Atkins, Neil Young, George Harrison, & more with it. It worked great on the tour and I have used it to record with a bunch more since then. I used it on a duo jazz gig that I do once a month and it had a killer jazz sound (think round, not muddy).
I really like this guitar alot. It isn't noisy, it's not notoriosly quiet like alot of the Baldwin stuff either. It has some bite and breaks up nice if you want it to. I like the 6119 because it is less money than the 6120 and the F holes are smaller. It doesn't feedback, so that makes it good too! When they make a 6120 that is more reddish like my 59 I will probably buy one. I really like this color.

At home I play through an old Vibrolux, Blonde Bassman, or AC-30. I play unplugged alot too. On tours (if I carry a backline) it's an old reworked Twin (master volume model rewired to BF specs) or a BF Dual Showman through a Fender 2 X 12 with Altecs. I played in Italy with a Marshall JCM-800 and got it to sound like a giant Deluxe:-)

I guess you all figured that Ir eally like this guitar. Here is what I don't like:
* The rosewood base on the bridge cracked after 3 dates. I replaced it with a Gibson ABR-1, which is what I hear Setzer uses on his. The ABR-1 greatly increased tone and sustain. Well worth it but a shame Gretsch doesn't make a better quality bridge.($70.00)
* Straplocks - I am extra carefull with these, but I am planning on ahving problems.
* The spring in the Bigsby was a little too squishy. I replaced it with a stiffer string ($1.25)

The guitar was set up decent. I have heard horor stories about Gretsches setups. I think it had 9's when I got it, so I took them off and put 11's. I use 11 Nickel Wound Fenders or Thomastick flats. I want to try Pyramids which are supposed to be great, but I have not gotten around to ordering a set yet.

I am not really fussy about setups. If the guitar plays in tune it's fine with me. I like my action a little on the high side as well. I set the intonation with my Boss TU-2 and that was that. I reset it a little when I switch from rounds to flats. You would probably want the action lower and I think you could do it, but I like it this way. I really like the neck and feel of this guitar.

The grain is really pretty and the finish is flawless. The binding is great and everything looks gorgeous!

The only flaw was the afforementioned bridge crack. The squishy feeling Bigsby spring was replaced due to personal preference. I have heard bad things about Gretches switches, but I have not had any problems. I clean them often with Lectra Clean (avail. @ Home epot)

I have flown this guitar from East Coast to West Coast at least 9 times since I have owned it. I also have taken it on a tour of Europe (bus, plane, train, etc...) and it's great. I like the fact that it looks stylish and retains the Gretsch style and sound. It's not as durable as an old Tele, but I wouldn't expect it to be. I find it to be extremely versitile which makes it ideal for tours (this, a tele, and a LP)

Never dealt with them. Basicly, if you buy a guitar and it's a lemmon you return it. If it's quirky you work it out. I don't ever see the need to call the factory.

I really am happy with this guitar. I also have a new Gretsch Elliot Easton which I love & will probably be using live alot. If it were stolen I would deffinitly buy it again. If you want a Gretsch, but need to travel or can't afford an old one you will probably be happy with this.
If you need certain brand batteries in your stompbox or if you need to have your guitar setup every month, you may not like this guitar. I don't say this to sound like a jerk, but it seems that players in general are becoming fussier and fussier. Good thing Chet, Jimi, Buddy, Cliff, and all the others could deal with old strings, off the rack guitars ("what, no custom shop???), and a few uneven frets here and there. If you like to put on strings, tune it up, and play music instead of complaining about it not being "vintage" you should be happy!

The neck is Laminated rock maple, it has a Rosewood ebony-stained fingerboard, 25-1/2" scale, joined at 14th fret, bound fingerboard, Neo-classic position markers, Black headpiece, pearl inlaid. The body is 16" side, 2-1/2" deep, it has Laminated maple construction, Open-bound, thin-style f-holes, Multiple binding, and a Single cutaway. The electronics are Dual high sensitive FiltertronTM adjustable pickups, it has a Pickup selector switch, tone control, volume control for each pickup, and a Master volume control. Some of the extra features are Chrome-plated metal parts, solid brass control knobs, chrome-plated, Deluxe high gear ratio enclosed machines, Adjustamatic roller bridge with individual string adjustments, Gretsch Bigsby vibrato tailpiece, and a dark cherry-red stain finish, which is hand polished.

The sound is nice, but not quite the vintage sound that Gretsch is known for. I've read that Tv Jones pu's are the closest things to NOS Filtertrons, and once i can scrap together $200, i'm gonna get them. Even with the stock pu's though, the guitar sounds great. Exellent for Rockabilly. My chain goes 6119->Mesa/Boogie V-Twin->Boss DD-3->Fender Blues Jr. The combo of a Gretsch hallow body, with a Fender all tube amp is perfect for getting that famous twang. I give it an 8 because the pu's are ceramic, so to nail the vintage sound, you've gotta get some alinco pu's. The 6120-SH has alinco pu's, which are an improvement form the ceramic ones, but not as good as the orginials.

I bought the guitar used off of ebay, i got it from a guitar shop, so it came set up the way the guys sent it to me. It had very low action, with no fret buzz (my preferance), the Neck pu is quite louder than the bridge, but i want to keep it that way, so when i go for solo's, i just flip the pu switch for added volume.

The gripes of the guitar...
As stated above, Japanese made gretsches are known for bad strap knobs and faulty switches. I thought i had a bad switch, but read that i should try electronic component cleaner, found at radio shack, before i changed out the switch. The Cleaner worked like a charm. Before i cleaned it out, it was a VERY noisy switch, and there was about a 1:10 ratio of when i switched over to the neck pu, it wouldnt work. Couple shots of the cleaner in there, and the problem went away.

I had a problem with the strap button, and easily fixed it with toothpicks and elmers glue.

I've read that people have had problems with the bigsby, but i'm yet to find a problem with it, other that it constantly putting the strings out of tune (when used, otherwise tuning is VERY stable), but thats actuly a problem wiht the tuners, and i'll most likly put in sprezels, and the problem will be solved.

Once again, the only fear of this guitar i have is the switch, i know that adventuly i will have to change the switch, and might just change out the entire wiring harness, just to aviod the scratchy pots that i've read have haunted many people.

It is a strong guitar, but you cannot treat it exactly like a solid body electric. I tend to baby it like an acustic, seeing how technicly it kinda is one. I've never droped it, but i know that if it falls on the input jack, it will put a hole in the guitar. I would call this a dependable guitar, but i wouldnt gig without a backup (thats just me)

I've been playing for 3 years. I also own a Fender MIM Deluxe Fat Strat, MIM Std. Strat, Taylor 810, Laravee Paralor (sp?) acustic. If this guitar was stolen, i might look into a 6120, or some vintage gretschs, but i'd defenatly want to always have a gretsch hallow body on hand. I play Living End, Brian Setzer, Green Day, James Brown, Smashing Pumpkins, ect. I really play a little of everything. When i went to buy this guitar, i looked into DeArmmonds, thinking i could get a cheep subsutute of a Gretsch, but only the gretsch could get the "Tele Twang on Steroids".

2000 Gretsch Tennesee Rose
Made in Japan
Laminated Top
2 Pickup Volume Pots, Master Tone, Master Volume, 3 way selector
Two Filtertron Humbuckers
Transparant red finish
Gretsch Body Style
Bigsby
Gretsch Tuners
Case, 10 sets of strings, 2 18' cables, stand, humidifier, wrentches, reprinted "vintage" gretsch pickup flyer, Gretsch Book and T Shirt

Guitar sounds great! I play alot of different styles. From Rock to Blues to Jazz to Folk. I really like the 6119. It breaks up nice but remains clear. It doesn't muddy up. You can still hear you're playing through some distortion, not just a bunch of mud.

It isn't noisy. For humbuckers the output is lower than a Gibson, but hey, it's a Gretsch and that's the way it's supposed to be!

Great full sound. Sounds full and round with both pickups on. Roll off the treble for a great jazz sound. Bridge pickup sounds trebly and thin but in a good way! (Think Eddie Cochran) Nails Harrison through my AC-30!

I really like this guitar a ton. It's good for many different things, but always sounds like a Gretsch. It sounds great! It's not a 10 sound kinda guitar. It does the Gretsch thing great and that's why I bought it!

Finish is drop dead perfect. I see tons of posts with people complaining about setups, I got this one at Guitar Center and it played really nice. I took it home and set it up with some heavier strings and it plays awsome now!

The one problem I had was that the rosewood base on the bottom of the floating bridge cracked after I had it for a week. I think this was more GC's fault becasue it had not been oiled and had been in GC for a long time. I brought it back and they gave me a new bridge. I ended up putting a Gibson ABR-1 on it anyway. This bridge is way better and really opened up the sound of the guitar! The rest of the work was perfect!

I have taken this guitar to 46 states, through Canada, all over Europe, and even to Asia and have never had any problems. It's not as durable as my old Tele, but it's a hollowbody so that's to be expected. The case is really nice as well. I wouldn't use anything without a backup, but I have used this all night and not needed a backup!
The strap buttons on Gretches are questionable. I have never had a problem, but there are alot who have. If I did I would put on some dunlop straplocks and chalk it up to experience!
The hardware (except for the floating bridge) is great. No problems with the tuners orr anything else. The Bigsby was a little loose for my tastes (I have a 59 6120 and a 60 LP Standard both with bigsbys) so I got a replacement spring and took out the nylon washer. Cost .75
Not a flaw, just my preference!

Gretsch doesn't have good support, but this is a guitar not a computer! I know it's going to last and if it doesn't I'll fix it. Read Gibson or Fender's lifetime warrenty and youll see nothing is covered anyway

I play full time and have done one tour with a major label artist with this guitar and have also used it on some recording sessions. It's great. Looks killer, sounds good, and plays really nice. Gretches are alot of money, but unlike fender or gibson, noone else does what they do as well. This was my first RI Gretsch and I have also gotten a EE Jet & Black Falcon. I have a 1959 6120 and an older Tenn. and the RI is a cost effective alternative for touring!

Model 6119 Tennessee Rose 25 1/2 scale. Made in Japan. I thought it should include the case so I asked for one and the store included it. I played a 6120 and chose the 6119 over it. The sound was sharper.

I was looking for that Stray Cats sound. I looked at the Setzer model and the Hot Rod series. I liked the sound of the Hot Rod series but was turned off by the inability to make any individual adjustments to the pickup volume and tone. I'm using a fairly inexpensive Gibson amp with built in reverb and Gain. I've read about oyher people complaining about fret buzz. I haven't experienced this with mine.

I'm not sure if the set-up was done at the store or the factory but it is great. It is easy to play. The action is great! My guitar came with a solid 3rd string rather than a wound one. I can't really complain about any of the quality issues of the guitar. The case is tight! You almost have to shoe horn the guitar in and out.

I believe the 6119 will hold up well. I think you should treat an instrument with a certain amount of care, play it hard, but treat it well. The strap buttons are just fine. I raed of someone who was concerned because the strap button loosened out of the body near the neck. I looked for this before I bought and didn't find any of the Gretsch guitars I looked at to be flawed in this area. I'm a little concerned about the electronics over time, but the only way to know if they'll hold up is in time.

the store I bought from offers lifetime services as a perk for buying through them. Quality flaws of course would have to be handled under warranty. So far, so good!

I've been playing off and on for about 15 years. I own a Schecter Collector Edition Strat and an Ovation Celebrity electric acoustic. The Gretsch Tennessee Rose is a great addition and a pleasure to play. I compared the Gretsch with a Washburn and it came down to how it sounded and felt. I could have saved a few bucks but I think I made the right decision. I think this re-issue of the 6119 will be a sought after instrument in the future. The only thing I really wish it had was a label that said "Made in the USA"

This is a Japanese made Gretsch 6119. It has a Bigsby Tremelo, roller adjustable bridge, 2 filtertron pickups, 3 way toggle selector, bridge and neck volume controls, tone controls, and master volume control. My only complaint about this setup is that I think the neck volume control is placed in an awkward spot right under the Bigsby.

This this is all about tone! I played it for about a half an hour before I decided to take it. It absolutely sings!! The neck pickup is where all the tone is at. The tone is so round and full. It actually over powers the bridge pickup in the middle selection. I plug amp it through a Line 6 Spider which is a little too modern for such a guitar. But it sounds just great with the right settings. I usually keep it pretty clean because the tones are so great. However, I play my Gretsch unplugged about 75% of the time while I'm at home. It sounds so full and punchy unamplified that I have a great time with it like that.

I don't know about everyone else but mine was setup just fine. Action is awesome with no rattles or buzzes. Intonation was right on. I'd heard that there are intonation problems so I was a little concerned. The Bigsby isn't too responsive though. It's nice and smooth but doesn't bend the strings as much as it should. There were two 6119 to choose from when I decided to buy one. The other ones action wasn't as easy to play and the neck pick up didn't work for some reason. That made my decision much easier. The pick guard was a little loose but tightened right up with a screw driver. The finish was beautiful. The wood grain is highly visible through the finish. The stap pegs were a bit of a hassle. Everytime I unscrewed it to put on a strap it would unscrew from the wood rather than the post. It took a little bit of work but I fixed it. Another thing that bothers me is the bridge. My hand sits either on the bridge or pretty close to when I play. I've noticed that the little bolt on the bridge scrapes my hand a lot making it a little uncomfortable for me. No big deal.

I don't play live with it but I think it'll be just fine for that. If anything I would swap the strap pegs for some clip ons for easier strapping. Hardware seems fine with me. I don't foresee any problems.

I haven't dealt with customer service but I've heard that it sucks. It doesn't bother me that much since I'll most likely take it to a local guitar tech if any problems come up.

I've been playing for about 11 years and this is my second hollowbody guitar. I have been drawn to Gretsch ever since I got into playing guitar. Thanks to bands like Stray Cats, The Cure, and Jesus and Marychain. I just love hollowbody guitars. Purchasing this guitar has fulfilled a long time dream of owning a Gretsch. I'm not disappointed in the least. It's a true life long investment that I'll cherish for years to come. A truly underated guitar.

1999 Model Gretsch Tennesee Rose; made in Japan by Terada Company, with whom Gretsch has contracted to build their higher-end hollowbodies. Laminated maple neck, with a Rosewood board; thumbnail inlay. Very similar to the Nashville body, only not quite as deep which I like, cause I'm not a real big guy. Two Filtertrons, each with it's own volume control, plus a master volume knob & tone control. Adjustamatic roller bridge & Bigsby; all hardware is chrome; Single cutaway body is dark red with white binding. Plenty of gadgets to play around with.

Mine is strung with Pyramid Flats; 11-49 guage. It flat-out nails that old 'roots' music sound. I'm from the Waylon & Willie style of country, plus I do a lot of old classics. With this guitar & these strings it is easy to get that 50's twang I want. It's run thru a Peavey Classic 30 all-tube combo, made in '95. Not even any pedals, although I may add an MXR Dyna-Comp. Sometimes I get a slight rattle -- I think it's coming from where the pickguard is mounted. I can gently press down on the pickguard, and the rattle disappears. This guitar used to have an annoying harmonic ring on the 3rd string (G), but that problem disappeard when I switched to the Pyramid flats, which feature a wound 3rd -- something the round Gibsons did not have. If I ever switch back to rounds, I'll have to deal with that.

Factory setup was OK. Not great, but not horrible either. I took it to a tech for a professional setup. He put a bit more relief on the neck, and that was about it. If you're considering a new Gretsch hollowbody, plan to spend another few bucks on a real setup or have it worked into the price. Chances are, your guitar will need it.

The workmanship is simply magnificent. It is the most stiking red you've ever seen and I personally think it matches well with the chrome hardware. The wood grain pattern is very pronounced in this guitar - I think a bit more than most TRoses. The finish just gleams at you. I lead the music at an outdoor Cowboy church, once a week in the South Texas heat, and sweat doesn't seem to phase it a bit. I just wipe it down before it goes back in the case. Once in a while I'll use a little polish on it.

The hardware seems fine to me as far as I can tell. I was an acoustic player before, this is my first real electric guitar. The Bigsby is very smooth and doesn't pull the guitar out of tune. Although I don't use the Bigsby much in country music, I do mess around with it while practicing at home. Gretsch hardware is said to rattle sometimes, (probably because there is so much there) but other than the minor rattle noted above, I've had no problems.

This thing is solid as a rock. Although it's only a year old, the hardware and finish seem like they'll last longer than I will, if properly cared for. I am amazed at the tuning stability.

This new generation of Terada made Gretsches are famous for strap-button failures and less than reliable switches. The electronics are made in Europe somewhere and sent to Japan for assembly. Mine are not acting up thus far, but I watch it closely. The suspect electronics are a bit of a concern. Switchcraft is said to make dead-reliable replacements at a reasonable cost. At the first sign of trouble, I will replace the switches. I don't worry too much about backup, if it fails on a job, I can use my Alvarez acoustic.

Fortunately, I haven't had to deal with them. Every story I've heard is that they are horrible. The warranty is only for a year anyway, which I think is cowardly on Gretsch's part.

I absolutely love this guitar. If it were lost or stolen, I'd would promptly replace it. I've been playing guitar about 10 years, and country / blues harp for 28 years. Always been an acoustic rythym player -- I do all my lead work on the harmonica. I was in the market for a Taylor or Larrivee, when I discovered the Gretsch sound and was hooked. That twang is just perfect for the music I'm doing. This is a tourist area of Texas, near Luckenbach, and there are great players everywhere with acoustic guitars. I wanted something different and this does the job, and is magnificent to look at.

For those interested in the Gretsch world, see the excellent web site at WWW.GRETSCHPAGES.COM. It's an independent page with much info on the products and history of Gretsch guitars. The discussion link, will put you in touch with an army of Gretsch experts who know far more than I. Recommended!