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Features 8.4 (26 responses)
Sound 9.2 (27 responses)
Action, Fit, & Finish 9.1 (26 responses)
Reliability/Durability 9.6 (25 responses)
Customer Support 8.8 (12 responses)
Overall Rating 9.0 (26 responses)
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Product: Peavey Firenza
Price Paid: US $175.00 used
Submitted 07/05/2004 at 08:18pm by Anonymous

Features : 8
Made in USA with a slab mahogany body, bolt on maple/rosewood neck, and 3 to a side tuners on small wolfgang style peg head. Body is sort of a PRS double cut style with a longer upper horn. Pups are 2 P-90's with single tone and single volumn knob 3 way selector switch. Stop tailpiece with an adjustable bridge. Mine has a very nice red wine transparent finish.The fret board is very flat 15" radius and has a bone nut. There is a unique neck adjustment wheel at the base of the neck. A very basic guitar that grows on you as you play it. Simplicity is a good thing.

Sound : 10
I bought this because I wanted something with P-90's to try. These things are super and are very vintage sounding. They play well clean and then get down and gritty as you add the gain. A very good vintage rock sound. These are actually pretty quite unless you sit on top of you amp then you can get some hum.

Action, Fit, & Finish : 9
The flat radius takes abit of getting use to. When I bought it the previous owner had 8's on it. I immediately replaced with 9 GHS boomers and it was a big improvement. I have really gotten to like the action and feel of the neck. The fit and finish are excellent and the hardware seems excellent fretwork is well done . Again it is a pretty simple guitar but the execution is super. I would no be afraid to take this guitar on any sort of gig .

Reliability/Durability : 10
Like I said simple with good quality hardware and electronics. Solid slab body. I would expect this thing to last and last unless you are extremely hard on your stuff and then I can't think of a guitar that I think might out last it.

Customer Support : No Opinion
No contact so I don't have an opinion.

Overall Rating : 10
I've been at it about 5 years now . I have a strat and a hwy 1 tele . This guitar is finished well and a rock solid guitar. When you handle it you can just see that it is a well made piece of gear. It is quite different in feel than my Fenders and the body would look better cosmetically if the upper and lower horn were more balanced in size. But once you get use to it you are hooked. It is a lot of fun to play and sounds super. I would really hate to lose this guitar. It is clearly the equivalent of the gibson slab body juniors and Les Pauls I've seen and costs just a fraction.


Product: Peavey Firenza
Price Paid: US $100.00
Submitted 06/14/2004 at 03:46pm by Leon Peepers

Features : No Opinion
Mahogany body, two P-90 pickups, one volume, one tone, three way switch, tune-o-matic with stop tail piece. 4 bolt neck with micro-tilt adjustment. Rosewood neck with what seems like 12" radius and medium jumbo frets. Compact ( read smallish ) headstock with enclosed tuning gears.

Sound : No Opinion
I play blues, worship, country, jazz...whatever floats the ol' boat at the moment. I use a variety of tube and solid state amps, various emulation devices along with overdrive, delay, fuzz and assorted other noise makers.

This little guitar really has surpassed my expectations. I got it for cheap as the store had it for 3 or so years and wanted to blow it out. Since I had been jonzen after a P-90 equipped guitar, I was ahppy to take it off their hands. It had been years since I last had a P-90 equipped guitar and when the opportunity to get one for less than the price of an effects pedal, I had to jump. Glad I did. While it will never replace my #1, I could see myself playing and being happy with this guitar if it was the only one I had. The elongated strat body style is not my favorite, but that has nothing to do with the stellar tone this thing puts out. I bought it without plugging it in as it played so well and felt good. My thinking was I would upgrade the pickups at first opportunity to some Lollars. While I still may do that, the stock P-90's suprised the crap out of me! They sound darn good. I'll keep it as is till a nice used set comes along cheap, then upgrade. The Peavey Firenza is an excellent example of not having to spend stupid bucks to get a nice sounding, nice playing guitar. One of the P-90's is reverse wound, so it's hum cancelling in the middle position. It's not real noisy anyway on single pickup settings.

Action, Fit, & Finish : No Opinion
Action, fit and finish are very nice. As good as any out there for this range of guitar. It's basic, but that's fine with me.

Reliability/Durability : No Opinion
As far as reliability, the Firenza reminds me of a telecaster in the way it's put together. As such, I do believe it would take a licking and keep on ticking. I'm lucky to have many fine guitars to choose from when I play out. I'm lazy and have a bad back, so I rarely take a backup guitar....and for many years I had only one guitar, so I had no backup! With that, this would be a fine guitar for many different types of gig. From blues to top 40 to rock to country. The tone control is not very well voiced, so it would need a bit of attention to do a jazz gig. Since I gig so infrequently, I won't worry about it. Must be getting a bit less anal in my old age.

Customer Support : No Opinion
In 30 years and many, many,many,many....MANY guitars, amps, pedals, etc., I have never had to use customer support. I take good care of my gear. I've been lucky enough to be able to do my own set-up and repair work if any thing went wrong.

Overall Rating : No Opinion
All I can say is this" If you find one for 2 bills or so, buy it. You won't regret it. Think of it as another color in the crayola box. Since I do some recording, having P-90 tones availabe is refreshing from the usual single coil / bucker tones that are so prevelant today.


Product: Peavey Firenza
Price Paid: US $225
Submitted 12/04/2003 at 03:41pm by Anonymous

Features : 8
NOS Peavey Firenza U.S. Made frets Mahogany body Maple neck, Rosewood board, p-90's. One Vol one Tone Three Way switch. Very basic. Nice cream finish.

Sound : 10
This little guitar sounds superb! Nice and ballsy like a p-90 equipped guitar should sound. Wide range of sounds using the tone knob. AC DC, ZZ Top, Govt Mule, Neil Young, and everything blues lives in this guitar. Can even sound Jazzy clean.

Action, Fit, & Finish : 9
This is my first Peavey Guitar. Never wanted one due to the fact that from 12 years old to 18 years all the amps I owned were the god awful Peavey solid state (Backstage, Bandit, Special 120, Renown). Hey dude I know you had one too.....wink......(still keep one hidden in the garage to run the ol POD through don't ya) It'll be our little secret. ahem I digress....compared to my few guitars this thing is built very very well. As good or better than my Fender 82 us strat, Gibson Les Paul JR 59 reissue, Fender US tele, Carvin DC-127. Carvin Bolt. None of these guitars are museum pieces just honest wokingman players. The Peavey Firenza is actually more solid than either Fender and just as solid as the Carvin Bolt. The neck on the peavey is kick ass! Nicely rounded, great frets!

Reliability/Durability : 10
I depend on this guitar in my darkest hour. There I was awake at 2:46 A/M........out of cigarettes......... staring into the black. The wife would never forgive me for going out at that hour for smokes. So fellas I grabbed my durable and reliable Peavey Firenza and sans amp proceeded to play perhaps the greatest solo never heard!!! Through my feverish nicotine deprived fingers erupted cresendo after cresendo of testosterone laced .........well actually I wanked around as usual never straying too far from my reliable lil buddy ....the 5 tone pentatonic scale. However the guitar did not let me down in any way!!!!!

Customer Support : No Opinion
Never delt with them.

Overall Rating : 9
Ladies and gents this guitar is an AMAZING value. Super duper guitar. As well made as any I have (mere mortal) owned. Go get one if you can find one. Sounds great feels great and very solid.


Product: Peavey Firenza
Price Paid: cheap
Submitted 11/06/2003 at 08:49pm by Anonymous

Features : 9
Pretty simple , master volume, master tone three way selector for two p-90 pickups. stop tail piece, bolt on neck. US made. I've had many guitars with lots of switches, its nice sometimes to just have just a couple of nice choices. I do wish it had two volumes and two tones, but I only use one sound at a time anyway.

Sound : 10

Wow. I have never played a guitar with p-90 type pickups, so I didn'yt know what to expect. In the lead position with the tone up it is bright, detailed and punchy. a little single coil hum but that is to be expected. Nice tone with the tone knb rolled off, useable. Neck is nice too, especially with the tone rolled off. where this guitar shines is the rarely used middle position. Very nice and with the tone rolled off it nails the quacking tone that ted nugent got on the lead of "stranglehold". It almost sounds like you're running through a filter or a wah. I have never gotten that sound before, it was a very pleasant surprise. bends are especially nice.

Action, Fit, & Finish : 10
This is not a top of the line type guitar. I personally think its very beautiful. It has a two piece cherry stained body, a solid maple neck with a little bit of tiger stripe. It is a simple slab, no binding. It listed for $699.99 which for an american guitar is quite normal. I bought it used for much, much less. $250 to $300 used is normal and at that price level its a deal.

Reliability/Durability : 10
I have made a habit of buying discontinued top of the line peaveys for very little money. I own a Torino gold top, a Milano, a Horizon II (one of the best all around sounding guitars, even though it looks like a strat made by a russian army committee)a Generation s-3 (killer, killer lead sound)and a PAF t-60, not to mention a t-27 and a predator ax. The total cost to me for ALL of these including 5 hard shell cases and of course my new Firenza is only $1300. THey are all quite reliable.

Customer Support : 10
hey it's peavey, one of the best helpful websites there is.

Overall Rating : 10
I love it, its different, its a keeper, find one.


Product: Peavey Firenza
Price Paid: $75 (Canadian)
Submitted 04/30/2003 at 09:10pm by Anonymous

Features : 7
1999 USA
22 frets
Solid body
Volume, tone controls, 3 - way switch
2 humbuckers (not sure what type)
Passive electronics
Alder body (I think), maple neck, rosewood fretboard
Sparkle red
Strat style body
Tune-o-matic style bridge
Gotoh tuners
Thin neck 25" scale

Sound : 8
I play various styles of music rock, blues, country, old time
through a Peavey Express 112 amp and find it quiet. With a bit of patience I can get hte sounds I need.

Action, Fit, & Finish : 8
Since I bought the guitar used I don't know how the factory settings were. When I got the guitar I had to set the intonation and string height and radius. The adjustments were fairly easy to achieve to my liking.

Reliability/Durability : 9
The guitar seems to be made fairly durable and I can't complain about the price I paid for it. I still prefer the sound of my 92' tele for the country music but I think the Firenza would do in a pinch.

Customer Support : No Opinion

Overall Rating : 8
I've been playing for 10 yrs. and also have a 92' Fender tele, 94'G&L Strat, 85' Aria Pro II CS-350 and a Tokia Hardpuncher bass.


Product: Peavey Firenza
Price Paid: US $249
Submitted 03/15/2003 at 06:23am by James Brant

Features : 9
Mohogany body, 2 soapbar pickups and 22 frets. The body resembles a strat but in no way can be mistaken for a copy. Nice simple finish, not flashy but conservitive. tune o matic bridge, non locking tuners. simple and tough. Not many extras, but what it does have is solid.

Sound : 9
Good blues rock guitar. Soapbars are a good middle ground between a strat and a lespaul. Soapbars even and smooth, with usual noise. Excelent middle switch sound.

Action, Fit, & Finish : 9
The Firenza played and sounded great right from the store. I have yet to make any adustments.

Reliability/Durability : 10
Tough guitar, the workhorse of my fleet. I have An Ibanez, and a hand built electric, I have had gibson SGs and Strats.

Customer Support : No Opinion
NA

Overall Rating : 10
I Have been playing for 20+ years, and have owned over 15 different guitars. The Firenza is in my top 3 ever. I bought it because I wanted a guitar with soapbar pickups, and the price was right. If you are not bound by brands, and like simplicity, pick one up. I do not think that you will regret it. MADE IN THEU.S.A.


Product: Peavey Firenza
Price Paid: US $200.00
Submitted 08/31/2002 at 11:51am by Don Myers
Email: dmyers4244 at aol<dot>com

Features : 8
I have two of these. One sunburst made in, I believe, 2000, and a green one made in ought-one. These are both mahogany with maple bolt-on neck, rosewood board. Pickups are P-90 style with 3-way switch, 1 volume, 1 tone control. 22 frets, 25" (PRS) scale. Sealed Gotoh tuners, recessed tune-o-matic style bridge with stop-tailpiece. For all purposes, these must have been designed to be a slightly fatter Tele-type instrument.

Sound : 9
I play classic rock / blues / variety. It basically does everything I ask of it and nails Tele and Les Paul JR. type stuff. Using it with Carvin Nomad tube combo and EH Memory Man delay.

I've added a 'treble bleed' cap to the volume control on both guitars, which helps the Tele comparison. I've noted a review where the middle switch position is called unusable. Beware! ONE of my two Firenzas had the pickups accidentally wired out-of-phase FROM THE FACTORY. More of these may have slipped through. The pickups should be in-phase for best sound. They do have reverse-wind, reverse polarity so the middle position IS hum-cancelling. Some noise from either pickup used alone, esp. at high-gain. With the added cap, I'm delighted with the sound.

One problem which I believe I've fixed: BOTH guitars had low output from the high-E string. Lowering the B and G polepieces and adding more foam under the treble side of the pickups seems to help.

Action, Fit, & Finish : 10
These guitars were built absolutely wonderfully! A pity that they never seem to have captured the public's fancy. Low sales killed off a wonderful instrument here. Beware: there are still a lot of Firenza AX's out there (ash body, humbuckers, non-locking trem). I don't think these more-expensive variants are anywhere near as useful as the mid-line Firenza. The cheaper Firenza JX (basswood, fixed bridge, hum-single-single) is a nice poor-man's Strat.

Reliability/Durability : 10
I would, and have, many times, taken just ONE of the two Firenzas to a gig with no backup and without fear. Finish and hardware seem absolutely solid. I expect to be using these for many years. A pity that the lack of market acceptance has driven Peavey to stop trying to make low-to-mid priced guitars in the US. The Cropper Classics and Wolfgangs are great instruments, too, but one shouldn't have to spend over $1000 for a US-made guitar.

Customer Support : 10
I've never needed factory support for these guitars, but my experience with Peavey techs and sales people is first-class. I do wonder how some Firenzas got out with the pickup phase wrong (and it WAS from the factory, too! I played the 'bad' one right out of the box!). It's a very simple fix, though. BOTH red wires are hot and BOTH white wires are ground!

Overall Rating : 8
Been playing for FORTY years. I also have a Peavey Cropper Classic and a Fender Roadhouse strat. I wish the neck had a less-flat fingerboard (maybe 10" radius instead of 15"). A rib-cage cutout would have been nice. All moot points since they're no longer made.

Great guitars, though. I'm glad I have TWO


Product: Peavey Firenza
Price Paid: US $360
Submitted 06/20/2002 at 07:11pm by Anonymous

Features : 9
1999 Peavey Firenza, solid mahogany, 25" scale hard rock maple neck w/ wheel truss rod adjust & rosewood fretboard. Gotoh p-90 pickups. Nice Tusq nut. Tune-O-matic bridge. One volume, one tone control. Vintage sunburst finish. Rock solid!!!! (Oh by the way - MADE IN USA!) If it had separate tone & volume controls for each pickup, I'd give it a '10'

Sound : 10
I play mostly blues, classic rock & alt. rock. This guitar sounds FANTASTIC. The pickups are smooth, yet have great crunch when overdriven. Great articulation!

Action, Fit, & Finish : 10
The finish on the body is world class. The sunburst is very warm due to the mahogany & looks absolutely gorgeous. The neck also has some very pretty grain in the headstock. There's a slight defect where the nut is joined with the neck, but your really have to look hard to see it. There was a bit too much relief int he neck when I got it & I was having trouble adjust it out. The Peavey guiter tech (Steve - great guy!) told me to take the truss rod nut off, lube it, & tap it out away from the neck cavity so it wouldn't bind (it's double expanding). Now it has smooth, infinite adjustment & is dead perfect! The wheel feature is great.

Reliability/Durability : 10
This is my second Peavey & it's a shame they don't have a better reputation. Their guitars are very durable & play great. 'Not to mention made in USA!

Customer Support : 10
The guitar tech, Steve, has been absolutely phenomenal to work with. I call & if he's there, they put me right through. If not, he promptly calls me back. I've NEVER experienced this kind of personal attention from any other company. Great job!

Overall Rating : 10
I paid $360 for this guitar new (one of the few new ones left) and got a case for about $60. Nowhere can you get this kind of sound, quality, and service in a US made guitar for under $400. It's too bad that Peavy discontinued this model. My guess is that some day this will be considered a real pawn shop prize! If stolen, I'd definitely try to find another one.


Product: Peavey Firenza
Price Paid: US $249 used
Submitted 05/01/2002 at 01:00am by Anonymous
Email: scotthof<at>netzero dot net

Features : 8
I have the Red beauty, you know the rest.
Built like a concrete slab and the hd. stock is angled. For this it gets an 8, considering the price. Every feature is just what I wanted. Great foundation that offers something to build upon.
I gave it "Tons of features": pup's rewound($40w/taps)and alnicoII's in bridge, neck has V's for glassiness and bite. No ice pick and smooth or twang. BTW, install some 250K pots 1st thing. Installed 5-way sw. w/Donahue schematic. Taps and wiring offer all the junior/strat/tele tones. For infinite settings I used pots to handle the tapping(variable!) rather than switches. I use them much like a volume but I get gain with 90 tone. Such variety for those in-between strat sounds.

Sound : 10
I went to GTR Center just to test P-90's for mod. idea for my Yamaha. I used a FDR Bassman and proceeded to test every ax w/90's. PRS, Epi Special, even a couple very pricey vintage Gibsons. I left with P-90's attached to a nice resinant hunk of Mohagany. I felt this baby sounded every bit as good as some and better than the majority. Maybe the best unplugged.
The reason I started w/the mods. was that the bridge tone setting was such that it didn't work with the neck pup. I rarely use hi-gain, but when I did, I had to turn the tone to about 3. 500K pots are stock? 250K pots and alnicoII's helped dull the ice pick at the bridge.
It's offerings are both warm and/or bright. If you add the cap to the volume pot you can drop the volume and get mucho spank. As far as hi-gain, I just use the tone a bit to get good metal sounds. Not very noisy either. I don't play under lighting like real men though.

Action, Fit, & Finish : 8
Finish is very good as is fret dressing. Bought used, but was very nicely set-up. This thing had no signs of use. For maximum contact at the neck/body junction I backed the tilt feature screw out and re-tightend the screws. This required lowering of all hardware. The action is fine and you could easily go with pretty heavy guage strings with no buzzing. Most will prefer 09's and would enjoy the relief that an Eb tuning would offer the digits.
But hey, SRV used 13's and painfully high action. This is by no means a surgical weapon. Bends are a bit stiff and shredding is not it's strength. The frets are a bit abrupt when sliding around...ouch. The fit of everything is spot-on, the recessed hardware and low pup height give a refined look and feel to a straight ahead non-carved top design. No string binding with the Hdstock and tuner layout, but the keys are cramped for tuning chores. The pots offer no resistance, period, you will have to be careful not to bump them and attention is required when adjusting.
My focus is on the tone this thing generates and I tend to like clean simple designs. I think the body shape is just right, part Strat, part Special. Looks better than either one IMHO.

Reliability/Durability : 10
Pretty industrial strength IMO.

Customer Support : No Opinion
N/A

Overall Rating : 9
Been playing 25yrs. Also have a Yamaha Pacifica for wiring projects, sounds sweet with Firebird type Duncan mini-hums. I play thru a Deluxe Tweed/5E3 kit that I built, but also sounds great thru a solid state Peavy with "Real Tube" and Zoom terd that I have. I was surprised with the acoustic proporties the moment I started picking. I play this thing unplugged constantly. I want to buy another Peavy made of a big chunk of Bass or Ash for those Firebird mini-hums. Then again I may get another, but hide the mini's inside the P-90's for a closer Firbird tone. Mucho Mohagany.
I really hated those 500K pots and every thing goes better with alnicoII's, IMO. I chose this guitar for the sound and it was about $75 over the cost of a set of Duncan P-90's. SOLD!


Product: Peavey Firenza
Price Paid: US $385 used
Submitted 04/15/2002 at 06:54pm by Anonymous

Features : 6
Maple neck, rosewood fretboard, solid mahogany body (finished in cherry stain)with dual P-90 pickups; sealed tuning keys are very reliable and Grover-like. The 25" scale neck is a blend between Gibsons (24-3/4") and Fenders (& others, including Peavey's "Wolfgang") @ 25-1/2". The neck feels MUCH more like a Fender-style... but NOTHING like a Wolfgang. This is important to note, since this guitar is no longer produced by Peavey but you are apt to see used ones for sale, touting its 'near-Wolfgang' porportions: don't be fooled. This is a very good guitar, but it is no where near as good as the EVH Wolfgang, in case you're wondering.

As far as FEATURES go, this is a bare-bones type of guitar, somewhat like the Gibson Les Paul Specials (but different). So let's be honest: a plain (albeit beautiful) plank of mahogany with two P-90s and 1 Volume, 1 Tone control... not much for features- this is a GOOD GUITAR which rates a "6" (slightly better than 'sufficient')in the category of FEATURES. 'Cause there ain't none!

Sound : 10
The sound is excellent for P-90 tone, which is: a little more than your Fender-esque type of single-coil, but still sensitive to things like your attack, your finesse... whatever. These P-90s DO rock with that made-for-tube-amp kind of breakup. I found the neck and bridge pups were both better sounding from this guitar than the stock Gibson P-90s on my (P-90 equipped) Les Paul. However- the middle position (it has a 3-way pickup selector, by the way) is a so-called "hum-cancelling" effect, where both of these single-coils are united out of phase, and unfortunately it was nothing I would or could ever use, unless I needed to play a guitar part that sounds like a dying duck on its last gasp. I have to flip between bridge & neck only, avoiding the middle position.

Although the rich, bluesy tone of the P-90s is very satisfying, there are physical constraints with the neck design that prohibit this from being a good choice for someone like a blues player, for example (see below).

Action, Fit, & Finish : 10
Peavey is incredibly underrated in the current guitar community. Sure, they have a reputation, but nowhere near what they deserve. I have been impressed (and won over)only recently by the great workmanship and excellent quality of their EVH Wolfgang. This is a shame, but it presents a window of opportunity for us, until players find out what great stuff this is (then the prices go up).

In truth, I was hoping for a Wolfgang-like guitar, with that great neck, and some P-90s in a simple stop-tailpiece configuration. Okay, so the 25" scale neck of the Firenza is not quite the 25-1/2" of the Wolfgangs. I figured I'd adapt. But this is nothing like Wolfgang. The neck on the Firenza is thinner and wider, with the fretboard feeling much more like an acoustic guitar--wide and flat--which makes it easy for fingering CHORDS, but not nearly so good for soloing. Seriously: this guitar is great for chording, and well set up for nice chimey, ringing sounds for any Rhythm Guitar player to love, as long as you like the burning sound of P-90s, that is.

The weight is well balanced; the satin feel of the neck is easy to move around on; the reach on this fretboard is unbelievable- every note you want to play is so easy to get to. I wish all guitars were so well-designed. The finish is clean, alignment is true and fret work is well done. I am so impressed by the quality Peavey is putting out; long ago I gave up on stock Gibsons due to the shoddy workmanship that kept coming up, but I play a couple of Custom Shop models (Les Pauls) that I eventually settled on. But Peavey is knocking me out with their well-built guitars-- it's as if somebody CARES about their work product! How come I haven't heard of this before, is my only question.

BTW: I also own a PRS- yes, it's very pretty; I'm impressed. I paid over $3,000 for it and thought it was worth it, but I prefer to play my Wolfgangs (two for the price of my PRS), and frankly, I can't justify the huge difference in price. Bottom line is: I'm HAPPY to take my Peaveys on stage, and I'm happy to play them at home, too.

Reliability/Durability : 10
Very well made. The finish is beautiful and solid. The hardware is such a pleasure, especially the tuners because they're so good, but all of the hardware and knobs--and strap buttons--are good quality. I wouldn't feel the need for anything else up there, except for fear of breaking a string at a bad time.

Customer Support : No Opinion
Not in my experience. Rumor has it they are quite good, which for an American guitar company- that's considered fairly OUTSTANDING.

Overall Rating : 4
It's a nice guitar, but I wrote this review to fend off the sellers on e-Bay and the like who are claiming this model is "just like a Wolfgang." It's nothing like a Wolfgang, except for the shape of the headstock and the name "Peavey" on it. It is well made and sounds very good. I could easily recommend this to anyone who likes to strum chords- there may not be anything easier to finger than this if you like chording. But if you want to blaze through solos or bend notes on a blues lead, you must consider the flatness of this fretboard and its wider spacing. Check the specs and compare to other guitars you already know. I hate to sound negative on such a well made instrument, but this didn't fit my needs, and I was hoping it would at least come close. Perhaps somebody will find it to be perfect for their needs, but I suspect at least part of the reason why Firenzas are no longer in production is that there are better options for the majority of players out there.

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