Product: Schecter C/SH-12 Price Paid: UNKNOWN
Submitted 07/30/2006
at 02:05pm
by Bill Ahrens
Features
:9
As noted previously, the guitar is a strat-style body (Schecter's "C" shape) constructed with a mahogany body and set-in mahogany neck. The top is constructed of flame maple (AAAA in my opinion). The headstock overlay matches the body. Others have said the top is laminated so I will defer to their knowledge. The body, neck and headstock are fully bound with cream binding.
This is a semi-hollow guitar. It was made in Korea in, I believe 2005. Like a Ford Model T, you can get the guitar in any color you want as long as it is Antique Wine.
The bridge is a 12 string bridge of unknown manufacture. It appears solid and is adjusted easily. The nut appears to be made of a graphite-type material. The tuners are Grovers and are of good quality. The pickups are Duncan Designed humbuckers, designed after Duncan's "59" pickups - think Gibson PAF. The pickups are covered like a Les Paul. There are also independent volume & tone controls for each pickup ala a Les Paul or SG.
I will give the guitar an "8" for features. The slight downgrade represents only one color being available on an otherwise "loaded" instrument.
Sound
:9
I mainly use this guitar at church in a praise band setting. I am very pleased with the sound. Some of the other reviews have said this guitar is too bright but I have not experienced that. I definitely feel the sound is "full" - as you would expect from a 12 string
Typically I run this guitar through a POD into an old Dean Markley hybrid amp; this gives me a good sound. The guitar is very quiet. Between the 2 humbuckers (both with coil taps) and independent tone & volume controls I can get most any sound I want. I do get more volume loss than I expected when I switch from humbucking to single coil mode.
As you would expect, the guitar is usually played with a clean setting but I have used it with a semi-dirty sound (Vox AC30 model) and have been pleased with this sound as well. Great "chime"!
I have some Duncan Designed pickups on my other Schecter so I expected these to be good as well. They are!
Action, Fit, & Finish
:8
This category is (and has been) one of the real strengths of Schecter. Fit and finish was excellent. The bridge and pickups were adjusted well.
The only flaw is one that allowed me to get such a good deal on the guitar - a slight 1.5" clearcoat finish "crack" on the bass side of the neck where it joins the body. This is NOT a crack in the wood and is completely unnoticeable ulness you are really looking for it.
Reliability/Durability
:9
The guitar seems durable and I expect it to hold up well. The hardware appears to be of good quality. The finish is a thick polyester type that would probably withstand a nuclear blast. I have replaced the strap buttons with Schallers as I do on all my guitars. I have used the guitar without a backup and will continue to do so.
I will give this a "9" because it is a semi-hollow rather than solid body.
Customer Support
:7
The guitar carries a limited lifetime warranty. I expect the guitar to hold up well as I have owned another Schecter for 7 years without any problems arising. Their website is pretty good and even offers wiring diagrams for their guitars should you decide to modify your instrument. You do get tons of e-mails from them once you register but you can always unsubsribe.
I'll give this category a "7" for a good website. I have never attempted to contact Schecter other than registering the guitar. I would have like to have received some type of acknowledgement from Schecter that they received my registration card, though.
Overall Rating
:9
I have been playing for 20+ years and have a number of other guitars. Having owned a Schecter C7+ for 7 years I was confident the C/SH-12 would be well made; it most certainly is. I really cannot say there are any features I want that it doesn't have.
I would definitely buy this guitar again. I also considered a Dean 12 string electric but the Schecter had more features. I never played the Dean but I understand the Schecter is not nearly as neck-heavy as the Dean. I did not consider the archtype Rickenbacker 12 string as the styling is not to my liking.
If you are looking for an electric 12 string I strongly encourage you to consider this guitar. For the money, there is no other electric 12 that can touch this guitar in terms of features. As others have stated, this guitar is currently a Guitar Center exclusive, but you can find these on the internet if you are patient.
Product: Schecter C/SH-12 Price Paid: USD 599
Submitted 07/28/2006
at 06:38pm
by Allen
Features
:No Opinion
Sound
:9
I played 12-string Martin and VOX acoustics for years, then got busy with work and family. Now I went back and looked into 12 strings again. I was surprised that when played "clean" it was an electric tat sounded better to me (for $600 no less) than an acoustic Martin at double the cost. It takes a little playing with the knobs, but that's a lot of the fun when you are fingerpicking a 12.
Action, Fit, & Finish
:7
I too got one already set up and "off the floor" at a Guitar Center. It was already set up and just needed some tuning. It had one minor ding if you looked very closely, but everything else was as it should be. However..... what idiot is in charge of choosing their stock strings??? Even with a little playing my left hand fingers were hamburger. An immediate change to lighter gauge (Ernie Ball) made all the difference in the world.
Reliability/Durability
:No Opinion
I really don't know. It seems solid and well built, and I believe it will last longer than I myself will, but we shall see.
Customer Support
:No Opinion
I have not had to deal with the company. But I did note that no accompanying papers or information came with the guitar. Perhaps this was the fault of the Guitar Center people, but it would have been nice to have some explanatory documents as this was my first electric.
Overall Rating
:8
I have been playing 12 strings on and off since 1966 (yes... I was one of THEM). I used to earn money in coffee houses while going to college, if that tells you anything. I have owned several guitars over the years, and think I like this one's sound best because being an electric I can change and tinker with it. While I still might be tempted to turn it in for a $3500 Martin, that's about all tha would tempt me. I recommend checking it out - and then change those dang stock large gauge strings! It's playability is much, much better.
Product: Schecter C/SH-12 Price Paid: US $599
Submitted 06/19/2006
at 01:36pm
by Ed Storer
Features
:9
Manufactured 2004, Korea. Purchased 2006. 22 frets. Laminated top, flamed maple veneer. 2 volume, 2 tone, 3-way selector, coil taps on tone controls. 2 Duncan-designed humbuckers, passive. Neck and body are mahogany, top is maple. Proprietary 12-saddle bridge and stop. Grover tuners. Thin neck, 1-9/16 inch nut width.
Sound
:10
It sounds like a 12-string. Has nice sweet "chorus" sound like an acoustic 12. I play mostly baby-boomer rock and ballads, I use the Schecter 12 instead of an amplified acoustic 6-string when we play a small stage and I don't want to take 2 amps. I play it as with the amp CLEAN as I can. I had a Rickenbacker 360-12 and didn't like the action, couldn't get the intonation (6 saddle) to come in, and didn't really like the relatively dead sound. This baby sings (like an acoustic 12). the Duncan-designed Schecter humbuckers are really quiet and clean.
Action, Fit, & Finish
:9
This was the floor model and the set up was just right for me. Intonation is as perfect as my ear can detect (hard to do with a 12) and the action is great. The pickups are set lower than you'd expect, but they produce a cleaner sound that way (just right for me. Since it was a floor model, it had a few abrasions on the finish, but otherwise, I can't find a thing to carp about. The neck feels great and the frets are nicely finished.
Reliability/Durability
:10
I've only had this guitar for 10 days, but it feels great. Since it's a semi-hollow, I'm not going to hit baseballs with it, but it seems really well-built and should hold up well. I do intend to gig it without backup. I've got a 6-string Schecter semi-hollow and I haven't had any problems in about a year of use.
Customer Support
:No Opinion
I haven't had any dealings with the company. The guitar came with a non-transferrable "lifetime" warranty.
Overall Rating
:10
I played as a teen in the 60's and sort of put the guitars in the closet for over 30 years. While my guitar playing spans 40 years, I've only really played for about 6 of those - I'm a rhythm player and really never got the hang of lead. Other guitars: Gibson ES-335 Studio, a kit strat, Dillion LP copy, Dillion ES-360 acoustic, Larrivee C-03 acoustic, Taylor 314, Schecter C/SH-1, 60's Framus Texan 12-string. Amps: Fender Super Reverb, Fender (Rivera-era) Concert, Peavey Classic Chorus, and 2 rack amp setups.
I wish I'd have tried this one properly tuned up before I bought a Rickenbacker. If GC had bothered to keep this one tuned, they would have sold it sooner. I really like the way this guitar plays, its styling, its relatively light weight, the fact that it is balanced on the strap (not head-heavy. I don't care for the "antique amber" color. I tried several electric 12-strings - Yamaha Pacifica, Danelectro (strat style), OLP, and the Ric. This one intonates better, has action as good or better, and has the nice humbucker sound.
Though I like the Grover tuners, I'm thinking of getting locking Spertzels in aluminum.
Its a great buy. If it was removed from my possession, I'd replace it - I'd try to find one with the red finish.
If you want an electric 12 string that sounds like an an electrified acoustic 12 string, with better action, definitely check out this Schecter (I believe it's a GC / Musician's Friend exclusive).
Product: Schecter C/SH-12 Price Paid: US $599
Submitted 11/28/2005
at 01:39pm
by Al
Features
:10
For now, this is a Guitar Center exclusive model available only in trans dark cherry red.
2005 made in Korea, 22 Extra jumbo frets on a Fender scale Rosewood board, split crown inlay, figured Maple top with 2 f-holes on a hollowed-out Mahogany body, set-neck construction that looks and feels like neck-through, Fender-style Gotoh flatmount 12-string bridge, Gotoh tuning keys, two Duncan-designed passive chrome covered HB's, 2 volume and 2 tone controls, pull-up tone pots for coil tapping...
...and one feature that no laundry list of specs would ever list: Unlike almost every other production model hollowbody 12-string out there, this one is NOT neck-heavy!
Sound
:8
I don't know exactly what models of Duncan Designed pickups these are, because when I called Schecter to ask, the rep didn't want to talk to me after I said I'd already bought the guitar.
But anyway, the stock pickups on this thing are WAY too bright. The tone controls on the guitar are completely useless, turning them down sounds like throwing a blanket over the amp. On both a Carvin SX combo amp (solid state), and Soldano Decatone (tube), I had to turn both the Presence and Treble controls ALL THE WAY DOWN just to keep the fillings from rattling out of my teeth! I don't like having to make such a radical adjustment at the amp, limits your tonal versitility. But with that done it sounded really nice playing clean.
I wanted this guitar for a kind of goth rock, strummery kind of sound. I've only listened to a little bit of Siouxsie and the Banshees, but I wanted that "Spellbound" sound (which maybe they did with some kind of chorus device on a six-tring, I don't know), which it does it pretty well.
Playing leads is pretty easy due to the fast Schecter neck profile (although it's a little bit chunkier than the rest of their C Series) and huge frets. Bends on the unison strings way up high make some neat little echo effects. The pickups distort okay, nothing special. But I don't believe that's what most people want a 12-string for anyway.
It's pretty hilarious to tune the octaves to fifth intervals and play power chords with one finger!
Action, Fit, & Finish
:10
Can't say anything bad about the construction or setup. Schecter's Diamond Series has yielded some really great products in the last few years. Some of their innovations, like the "set-through" construction technique, are really amazing.
I do wish it had an Ebony fingerboard to go with the really nice figured Maple top, though.
Reliability/Durability
:10
I can't imagine this guitar won't outlast me. It's the only 12-string I have right now, so I guess I have no choice but to go backup-less. But if they were to offer this guitar in another finish (say, trans black) I'd get another one.
Customer Support
:No Opinion
I got this from Guitar Center, so I'm sure everybody's got their opinions on them. The kid... er, uh... salesman tried to sell me the "extended warranty," of course. But he didn't even know this was a GC exclusive model, or that this is the only finish it's available in. Not his fault, but whatever.
Then they didn't have a case to fit. They had a pile of standard SKB-type plastic cases, which woud have been okay (I prefer plywood), but the 12-string headstock wouldn't go inside. Then they pull out a dorky "coffin" case, but it wouldn't fit that, either. It was raining at the time, so I had to have something right then. I bought a "Road*Runner" canvas bag for thirty bucks, which was pretty nice. As bags go. When I got home, I discovered that two TKL cases I already had (one plastic, one plywood) would fit. Why GC didn't have one that would, I don't know.
Then when I called Schecter to try and get some info on this instrument, the rep was extremely kind and courteous... until I said I'd already bought the guitar. Then he couldn't get me off the line fast enough. Even though I wasn't calling them toll-free.
Anyway. No opinion on this one, but the experience could have been better.
Overall Rating
:9
I had been looking for a good 12-string for quite some time. But like I said, so many of them ? Dean Boca, Carvin AE-185/12, Charvel Surfcaster-12, Schecter TSH-12, Jay Turser Hawk, etc. ? were unacceptably neck-heavy. I was almost ready to break down and buy a Rickenbacker 660-12, or scour eBay and really pay through the nose for an old Steinberger L-series (remember those?).
Then I was at GC and glanced over at the wall of semi-hollow guitars and thought I was looking at a CSH-1. Waitaminnit... that thing's got twelve strings! I put a strap on it, saw it wasn't neck-heavy, and that was it. Didn't even plug it in at the store (which is kinda useless to do at a noisy GC, anyway).
Mods I'm doing to this guitar: New pickups, definitely (gotta be careful what to choose because of the fully hollow body). Replacing tuning keys with more light-weight locking Sperzels, further helping the balance. Replacement pearloid buttons on just the octave strings to help prevent confusion when tuning.
Ding one point on overall rating for the almost unusable pickups.
Product: Schecter C/SH-12 Price Paid: US $575
Submitted 09/10/2005
at 05:55pm
by Steve Ahola
Features
:9
This is a brand new model from Korea which has just come out, basically a 12 string version of the C/SH-1 semi-hollow bodied guitar. The body appears to be carved out of a single block of wood, with a bound top added (probably mahogany and flame maple). Very much different from your Gibson style ES-335 with a center block and wings, although there is a solid block underneath the bridge. The bridge has 6 strings going through the body and 6 strings coming out of the back of the bridge.
There are two Duncan Designed humbuckers with push-pull coil cut switches for the tone controls (like the C/SH-1). The coil cut switches are very useful in getting a more jangley 12 string sound.
The nut is made of some black material (probably something based on graphite).
The set-neck is hefty enough for the 12 strings but still very easy to play. The neck transitions into the body with no visible joint which I believe Schecter calls "Ultra Access". 25.5" scale with 22 frets.
Sound
:9
This is an electric 12 string so you are not going to bend a lot of notes like B.B. King. But it plays like butter and the pickups work really well. You would pay a lot more for a Rickenbacher 12 string, which is a totally different animal. But with the coils split you can get plenty of that jangle.
Action, Fit, & Finish
:9
I've been very impressed with the quality of the guitars coming out of the Korean factories these days; in most cases they are every bit as good as the Japanese guitars from the 80's. I saw no flaws at all and have no complaints about the setup. My guitar has a burgundy finish with chrome hardware.
Reliability/Durability
:9
The body appears to be made from a single block of wood which was carved out (like a canoe) which would make it stronger than an archtop guitar made with sides and a plywood top and back.
Customer Support
:8
I've dealt with Schecter for 25 years, buying parts from them to hot rod my guitars. I do my own repairs so I've never had to deal with warranty issues. For a $600 guitar I don't have the same expectations as a $3000 guitar.
Overall Rating
:9
I've been playing guitar for 40 years as of next month. This is my first 12 string electric guitar although I do have a 12 string acoustic. Usually 12 string guitars are pretty hard to play but this one plays like butter and sounds great.