Product: Yamaha P120 Price Paid: N/A
Submitted 06/24/2003
at 09:17pm
by Anonymous
Ease of Use
:8
Features
:No Opinion
Expressiveness/Sounds
:No Opinion
Reliability
:No Opinion
Customer Support
:No Opinion
Overall Rating
:9
The feel is going to be the best or so close to it you might as well stop looking. I the P models all have similar feel. I have a stienway m10 baby grand, so i know how things feel, and to add to that i first owned a 2000 samach upright, which was weighted beyond anything i've ever felt. These keys have a "larger" feel to the keys. Not as weightless as my grand, but closer. I only care about feel so that's all I'm writing about. It has a better vertical feel in the keys and it responds well. Though, i noticed that it would give resistance, have a slight let up as you are halfway down, and the be back to the first resistance as you finish striking the key. MIND YOU THIS IS ALL VERY SLIGHT. Just trying to help those who care about feel most. I just want it for travel and practice. Best feel for good price. Im just going to add on to it.
Product: Yamaha P120 Price Paid: US $1100
Submitted 06/17/2003
at 07:07pm
by Anonymous
Email: rein0283 at yahoo<dot>com
Ease of Use
:8
This board is actually very, very simple and easy to use when wanting only a single voice type (e.g. a piano, or a rhodes, or only strings, etc), but on the fly in a live situation you'll have to make several key presses to get level balances between two sounds you want to hear at the same time (e.g. piano/strings) ... I don't like it but I deal with it because I love the P120 otherwise.
Features
:9
Not a lot of options, but this board is not intended to have such. It's meant to be a basic "preset, push a button and go" keyboard. In that regard, the ability TO make a few changes (reverb, or chorus, or flanger, etc) is nice to have. Useful in my opinion, although as with using dual-voice sounds, you're going to have to make a few button presses.
The little sequencer built in is very limited, but again it is not intended to be this boards strong point. However, the sequencer is very nice to use for recording yourself then stepping back to hear what you REALLY sound like, especially when you're practicing those Hannon licks! ;-) (slow it down and listen to your articulation and timing..try it..you might learn something!!)
The little built in speakers aren't the greatest sounding in the world, and you're not going to use then for actual gigs, but it's SO NICE to be able to turn this on and just START PLAYING, no matter where you are. Very nice for practicing..they sound plenty decent enough for that and just playing at home. Just don't expect a big bottom end.
Expressiveness/Sounds
:10
I'm a professional keyboard player for a fairly major country star. I've played piano/keys for years...trained in classical, commercial styles, jazz, country, rock, etc. No matter what anyone else says, I say the piano on this board kicks butt. This is NOT a 12 foot Bosendorfer, people, its a "thousand dollar, practically carry it in your arm", portable, electronic instrument. With the inherent limitations to those facts, the piano is great.
Rhodes is awesome. I love it with the phase-shifter.
Electric piano very useful, nice when blended with acoustic piano. Good church praise music type sound for those of you who play at church.
I like the organ with the Leslie (hey, its not real OF COURSE! again, its not intended to be). My complaint with this patch is that the lower register (lower half of the keyboard) seems to scream out compared to the upper half. Not sure why. So I find myself sticking to playing above middle-C on the organ. Church organ patch is very good...get out your Bach! : )~
Strings...ehhh. They work, but not as good as I wished. But I use 'em and I get by satisfactorily. See note above (in "Ease of use" section)
Clav is nice and funky, especially with a little phase shifter. Its got bite.
I used the voice patch on a recent recording. Very eery, gave the track just what it needed. Just gotta try it to see if its the "ooh's and aah's" you're looking for.
Others...i don't really use 'em. I'm JUST a keyboard player! :-)
To sum it up, I use this board on the road and I'm very happy with the sound, particularly the piano. That's its main use.
Reliability
:10
I've had it a year and no problems so far. Yamaha has always had an excellent track record overall in this regard, so I feel like this board will be just fine too. I dont like the "hard cardboardy" bottom, though. Oh well, take it or leave it.
Customer Support
:No Opinion
Never had to deal with this. No opinion.
Overall Rating
:10
I want another to have at home. The one I have now stays on the gear truck. I use it on the road pretty much only for the piano, electric piano, and rhodes. I love it. Yup, I would get another if something happened to it. And yea, I compared to other keyboard/pianos. The P120 was my choice. It does it's intended job...well.
Product: Yamaha P120 Price Paid: US $980
Submitted 06/15/2003
at 12:20pm
by Rob
Email: rmpproductions at hotmail<dot>com
Ease of Use
:9
Selecting sounds couldn't be either. Each sound has its own button which you can press a second time to access its variation. Pressing it again will return to the "normal" sound. Effects are selectable from dedicated buttons, changing effect depth is easy too. Just hold the effect button and use the +/- buttons to change them. Same goes for Transpose.
Features
:9
Key action is great... slightly heavy, but it could be 'cause I've been playing non-weighted for over 6 years. 64 poly is plenty, I havn't encountered any note cutoff yet. If it's there, it's very well hidden.
The effects are so-so ... good enough for anything outside the studio, but they lack the control and flexibility for serious work.
MIDI implimentation is strange ... soemtimes if I stop MIDI playback in Sonar, the keyboard no longer responds to my playing. And I can't get it to play any sound (over MIDI) aside from the piano sound.
The built in speakers are nice when you don't want to plug in an amp or headphones, but they don't really do the sound justice at all...
Expressiveness/Sounds
:9
Piano 1: Simply amazing. I tried a bunch of keyboards before I made my purchase, and these sounds are second only to the P250. The realism is like nothing I've ever heard. I did notice some anomalies in the sounds when I was checking critically through some nice headphones, but nothing that seriously detracts from the sound. The variation for Piano 1 is a slightly brighter version, but the brightness isn't really necessary, since you can usually get what you want using Piano 1 and the Brilliance slider.
Piano 2: A Really Bright piano, more suitable for cutting through a live mix. Less likely to get "lost" in the sound if you're in a band situation. And again, use Brilliance slider to taste. The variation is a Honky Tonk piano. I wouldn't use it seriously.
E. Piano 1: A nice FM EP. Very smooth sound. The variation is similar to the "New Age" sound in the GM soundset.
E. Piano 2: Awesome Rhodes sound. Great bite, very playable. The variation is a Wurly, but it sounds much more synthesized than the Rhodes does. Still good, though.
Harpsichord: I've no use for it, but it's definetly a well-sampled sound. Even a good key-release sample!
Clav: Very usable, but again it's something I don't see myself using.
Vibes: Another great one. Very clear soft-mallet sound.
Churgh organ: Definlety usable in a church setting. Very full sound for both the default and the variation.
Jazz Organ: Useable, but the weighted keys don't lend themselves to organ chops.
Strings: So disappointing. They sound like they're out of a video game. They sound OK layered with the piano, but that's about it.
Choir: Suprisingly good for a choir sample. I only wish the strings were on the same level...
Guitar: I don't know why they even bother putting a guitar sound on keyboards...
Wood Bass: Rather good for filling in a jazzy bass sound under a piano.
E. Bass: OK sound, nothing spectacular.
Reliability
:9
This thing is built like a tank. I feel no remosre banging on the keys. The case may end up scrached if you take this to gigs and aren't careful with it though...
Customer Support
:No Opinion
Never had to use Yamaha customer support :)
Overall Rating
:10
If you can't spring for the P250, or don't want to for portability reasons, I don't think you can beat the P120. Killer sounds, great feel, and it looks pretty damn good too! Having previously only occasional access to a real grand piano, and owning only a 61-key synth, this has really rekindled my love for piano playing... seriously!
If it were lost/stolen, I'd probably cry for a long time. A real long time. I admit it. But then I'd scrounge up money for a new one!
Product: Yamaha P120 Price Paid: US $960 w/tax
Submitted 04/28/2003
at 10:15am
by Johnny Savant
Ease of Use
:8
My second review of this instrument: I guess I'm fickle. I owned a P80 (loved the action and size; sounds were only OK; grand piano was good)), dumped it for a Roland FP3 (loved the bells and whistles like the drums, sounds ranged from good to OK; didn't like the action and dynamics, and high end reproduction through an amp), then dumped the Roland for a Yamaha P120.
So, the sounds range from very good to passable. The action is very good. I panned th eaction when it firstr came out, but I must have tested a bad uniut, or they improved it after the first production run. Editing is fairly easy. But I don't like the fact that your editing isn't saved and you have to set the keyboard up from scratch every time you turn it on. I would have paid more for a battery backup.
Features
:9
Action is my overall favorite of all brands. At NAMM I tried a preproduction Roland FP-5....nice, but I still prefer the Yamaha action. One thing I noticed is that the edges of the Yamaha keys are slightly rounded off a bit more, which makes glissandos and certain tricky blues licks much easier. The sharper edged keys on the Roland pianos is their biggest physical drawback in my opinion. Has basic MIDI capabilities. Built-in effects are OK, and have limited editing. But I often turn them off to use outboard effects. Variety of sounds are a little more useful than the P80. Has simple sequencer/song recorder and metronome. Built-in speakers are not sonically accurate, but OK for their size, and great to parctice with when you have no external amplification. But don't judge the sound of this piano by it's built-in speakers. Use a good monitor system to hear the sounds.
Expressiveness/Sounds
:9
acoutic pianos are great with great dynamic variation. Rhodes is pretty good, but effects (trem or chorus) don't enhance it correctly, so I often use it w/o trem or wiht outboard effects. Wurli is OK, but suffers form the same problems when you use effects. Korg still has the best Wurli sound IMHO. Other sounds are OK when you need them, but I usually just use the basic pianos, along with an old CX-3. The feel is great overall on this piano. I can play ity for hours.
Reliability
:10
Yes, it's dependable and I would take it w/o a backup, although I do have a backup synth that I can use for every sound under the sun.
Customer Support
:No Opinion
Haven't needed it yet.
Overall Rating
:9
It's the best portable piano out there right now, for my purposes (blues, gospel, some jazz and country). But I'm always looking for the next best thing. I haven't played the final release of the Roland FP-5 yet, to see if they changed anything from the input they received from NAMM
Product: Yamaha P120 Price Paid: 900 (GBP)
Submitted 03/17/2003
at 11:33am
by Anonymous
Ease of Use
:10
Couldn't be easier. Plug it in and voila!!
Features
:10
Bought mainly for the Grand Piano 1 sample which is completely new for the P120 I understand. There's more sample ROM than the P80 too.
Both the weighted keyboard action and the sound leave little to be desired. I've tried most of the stage pianos and the P120 can't be beaten at this price. The built in speakers sound fine in a small/medium sized room. In any case, they're really only for practicing. It seems that Yamaha have tried to design the P120 to be as versatile as possible, appealing to both the gigging musician via external amplification and/or those home players who want an excellent piano sound, but don't want another piece of furniture. IMHO they've done a superb job. I love the look of it (Cherry/Silver).
Expressiveness/Sounds
:10
I've played mainly acoustic pianos in the past and the P120 has a very warm, not overbright piano sample. For my taste, it's just right. But in any case, there's a mellow/bright slider which alters the tone slightly. The Grand Piano 2 sample sounds fine for jazz/rock. As for the other sounds, I don't use them much, but the Vibraphone and Harpsichord deserve a mention because they're outstanding. I love the Choir and the Wood Bass with cymbal variation. V. Cool. All these are a bonus for me. The onboard 2-track Song Recorder is a very useful practising tool, too.
Reliability
:10
I've only had mine about three months, but as others have said, it's built like a tank. I practice an average of three hours a day and have had no problems (touch wood!) I'd have no hesitation in gigging with it without backup.
Customer Support
:No Opinion
Never dealt with customer support.
Overall Rating
:10
At the moment, this is my only instrument and is a pleasure to own and to play. Definitely worth the money. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another.
Product: Yamaha P120 Price Paid: N/A
Submitted 03/10/2003
at 10:21am
by Antti Salonen
Email: ajs at letku<dot>net
Ease of Use
:10
First of all: This board is not mine.
I am currently taking part in a project, it is sort of a musical. I have composed background music, which I play almost all the time during the musical. In addition I play a few better-known pieces as interludes with the band. This keyboard belongs to a music teacher who is organising the project, and I use this so I don't have to lug around my P80.
Ease of use, huh? Electronic instruments don't come easier than this. Plug 'n' play...
Features
:8
You know all the specs. Polyphony should be 128 in my opinion. Feature-wise, this is just the same as the P80, only has a few different sounds, is a bit bigger and has an ugly brown fake-wood casing (how much gigging will it endure before looking like shit?). The action is very very very good for playing piano (but not for playing any of the other voices included (harpsichord, clavinet, organ, strings etc.)!).
All the connections are still on the left side of the keyboard, which is a little naff in my opinion. Why can't they be in the back, just like in every other board? This would also save some width and make the outs less vulnerable to being hit by something, anything ;)
It has an external power supply. WHAT THE FUCK? WHEN WILL THE MANUFACTURERS LEARN????!! External PSU's are disgusting, unreliable piles of shit. How many dollars more would it cost to make the board with an external PSU? I really hope that the manufacturers are reading these reviews.
Expressiveness/Sounds
:6
Omigod. I tried this board a few months ago in a music store. It sounded metallic and unrealistic to me, but then I thought that this must have been because of the tiny internal speakers. Now I've played this through a high-quality PA system, and it sounds just the same. Now, true, the dynamics and the 'musical connection' between the keys and the sound is better than on the P80, for example. But: It just lacks the roundness and finesse (??? funny word, but I can't find a better one) that is so well present in previous Yamahas, again the P80 for example. To me, this thing sounds like a bright rock/pop piano with some chorus effect, and all the four presets sound roughly the same (Yes, only four different pianos, what the hell? The P80 has 8). Needless to say, playing solo piano, especially classical music and "soundtrack music" is not very nice, terrible in fact. On the other hand, the sound cuts well through a mix and is better than my P80 for eg playing with a rock band. But for what I do, I'd definitely stick to my P80. Besides, it's smaller than this thing.
Remember, this opinion is subjective, _MY_ opinion. If you are a prospective buyer or something like that, GO TRY EVERY BOARD YOURSELF! That's the only way you can really decide what's for you. Everything depends on what you want to do with it; for me the P120 isn't good.
Reliability
:No Opinion
Don't know, as I've only used it for a week or so. It has a cardboard bottom though, which scares me a bit, and that goddamn fucking external power supply, which scares me even more. It had better not crap out on me during the series of gigs, starting this week.
As I said I have a P80 myself, and it's unbreakable, like nearly all Yamahas.
Customer Support
:No Opinion
Don't know.. if you really want solutions to your problems, look for them in the Net, not some stupid CS phone number. In my very limited experience, Yamaha's customer support is definitely the best of the three big Japanese names.
Overall Rating
:7
For me, the Overall Rating score is almost the same as the Expressiveness/Sounds score. Without the great, great action this would be a 6. A nice instrument in its in own right, but it seems to be more geared toward musicians playing primarily in a rock band (with its new Clavinet sounds and whatnot), and I'm not one of those. If I would be, I'd buy a friggin' Nord Electro!
I've been playing classical piano for, er.. 13 or 14 years, electronic instruments and non-classical music for only a couple of years. I own a Yamaha P80 (still one of the best digital pianos IMO), and two non-weighted Korg synthesizers. I've played most Korg and Roland synths released in the past 5 years. As stated elsewhere, I play classical music, but also "soundtrack"-style music and prog/power/death/black/whatever metal with LOTS of classical influences (but not with my acoustic piano ;D) Hell, I don't want to bore you with this.
If it were mine, I'd be very disappointed, take it back to the store and buy something better suited to my needs (A Bosendorfer grand...?). Perhaps it's just a fact of marketing that it doesn't make sense to build stage pianos with sounds suited for classical playing.
I wish it had an internal PSU (get the hint, Yamaha?) instead of those little speakers, and a more reliable casing (My P80 is all metal, except for the ABS plastic ends).
For me, this is a big disappointment for the world's best manufacturer of digital pianos. Do all the pianos in their new stuff (P250, PF1000, PF500, S90) sound like this? Hope not...
Product: Yamaha P120 Price Paid: N/A
Submitted 02/24/2003
at 05:56am
by Anonymous
Ease of Use
:No Opinion
Features
:No Opinion
Expressiveness/Sounds
:No Opinion
Reliability
:No Opinion
Customer Support
:No Opinion
Overall Rating
:No Opinion
In response to the previous poster, I record with my P-120 and it does great in a mix--very quiet, no ambient noise, very natural sound. I am a professional jazz pianist and I also own a Yamaha C5E Grand Piano and I think it compares nicely. Does it sound exactly like a 6 foot 7 grand piano? No, of course not. But it blows away the Alesis.
Product: Yamaha P120 Price Paid: US $1099
Submitted 02/21/2003
at 05:11pm
by Eddie Mikell
Email: edmikell at yahoo<dot>com
Ease of Use
:10
Can't get any easier than this, pull it out of the box, and plug it in.
Forget editing patches, there aren't any. The manual is ok, but you don't really need one, although trying to (at first) adjust the level of the splits in relationship to each other is not very straight forwar
Features
:2
I will be honest, I tried my alesis 7.1 for this keyboard, and I have regretted the decision ever since. The driving factor was that my son's music teacher kept harping that he needed a weighted keyboard, so hence the decision. Should have went with the Alesis QS 8.1.
This unit is ok, if you do not intend to do any recording with it. It is worthless in a mix, but I'll into that later.
It does have a simple sequencer, not bad, easy to you. No expansion. Isn't worth .02 for a midi controller. It has pressure sensitive keys, no aftertouch (pooh)
Expressiveness/Sounds
:1
Well, here's where I differ from most of the crew here. Hands down, the alesis qs .1 series (hence no the qs 7, or qs 8, etc) have great piano's (strings stink tho).
Put the p120 in a mix with anything - I used cool-edit pro, and it just plain vanishes. The piano sounds have an obnoxious "ring" to them, worthless for recording.
The action is good, although not great, and for $1000, I'm pretty dissappointed. (thank God for e-bay!)
Play this machine a lot before you decide on it. Play it through some real speakers, not the Cracko speakers that are included. Try phones too, and you hear split points that are bad, ringing, just in general, poor sounds.
Reliability
:10
Built like a tank, and plays like one. Would gig without a backup, but would probably get booed of the stage.
Customer Support
:7
I haven't had to deal with them, but I have called yamaha before, and they have been good.
Overall Rating
:2
If it were stolen, I would hope for insurance money, and get something else. It isn't worth more than $400.
I have been playing keyboards for about 30 years. I have a kawai k4, and intend to have an alesis qs8.1 soon.
I like the key action, but hate the sound.
I wish it had a 180 day return policy.
I'd like to share that you shouldn't buy one for the piano sound
Product: Yamaha P120 Price Paid: US $925
Submitted 02/11/2003
at 01:03pm
by D. Gurwin
Email: gurwinda<at>bipc dot com
Ease of Use
:10
For basic functions, it is very easy to use. The presets are excellent, especially th accoustic pianos and the electric pianos. Patches can't be edited, but effects can be altered. It is simple to use.
Features
:9
64 note polyphony. Should be adequate for any live performance situation. Not really intended as a midi slave instrument. The effects, in my opinion, are clean and nice. It is not expandible. The sequencer is more of a scratch pad, not a serious sequencer. A pitch bend wheel and aftertouch control would have been nice additional features.
Expressiveness/Sounds
:10
The piano sound is the primary reason to buy this (it IS a digital piano after all, not a synth). It is excellent. The action is wonderful for an electronic instrument. Much better than Roland.
Reliability
:10
Yamaha is rock solid (unlike Roland where keys mysteriously stop working)
Customer Support
:10
Yamaha's customer support is excellent. Again, I hate to keep picking on Roland, but their customer service is horrible.
Overall Rating
:10
This is a terrific instrument. It is sleek, and comparatively light. It is perfect for gigging. The P-250 looks beautiful and has lots of nice features, but is not a gigging instrument due to its huge size and weight. The P-120 isn't perfect (I'd like to see a pitch bend and mod wheel and aftertouch), but it is the best I've ever seen in terms of the overall package of portability, sound and keyboard action.
Product: Yamaha P120 Price Paid: US $1099.00
Submitted 02/06/2003
at 06:21am
by Gary Day
Ease of Use
:10
Very intuitive....simple to use....played for hours before looking up a couple of seldom used functions (function settings) in the manual.
Features
:10
Excellent Piano sound...looks and feels like a real piano
Expressiveness/Sounds
:10
I'm comparing this board to a KORG SP500.....the KORG has more voices and effects etc however, the Yamaha's sound quality blows it away...no comparison. Depends on what you are looking for ....special effects that are seldom used or a keyboard that sounds great.
Reliability
:10
Anything Yamaha makes it built well.....no except here.
Customer Support
:10
Overall Rating
:10
Definitely would buy again.
Product: Yamaha P120 Price Paid: US $1,213.32
Submitted 01/05/2003
at 10:26pm
by Andrew Short
Email: anman366<at>hotmail dot com
Ease of Use
:10
This keyboard was very easy to just pull out of the box and set up so I could start playing. Once you've got it set up you just plug it in and turn it on and it automatically defaults to the wonderful Piano 1 patch. There is no patch editor but this is really just a piano, not a full on synth like the Motif or something. The owner's manual is very precise and easy to read. Yamaha has always been about user friendliness.
Features
:8
The P-120 digital piano has 64 polyphony which is really nice, you rarely have notes cut out on you. The action is not that of a true grand piano or even an upright, but, considering how much the entire board weighs and the fact that it is not a whole action like an acoustic, it does a pretty good job of simulating the "real thing". The effects are ok, nice for adding some spaciousness, easy to use and disable if so disired. There are no expansion capabilities, but I can't imagine anything topping this thing in the near future. As for MIDI it has standard In/Out hook-ups and then the Host plug for a computer or something. Sequencer is nice because, I just record a song into it then play the recording from the board straight to 2 tracks on a digital multi-tracker. Nice
Expressiveness/Sounds
:10
Of course the whole reason to really buy this board is for the Piano 1 and 2 patches. I Don't really care for the Piano 2 variation because it sounds like a hokie version of a honky-tonk piano. The winning feature to me on this board is the incredible realism of the harmonic resonance. The first 2 or 3 seconds when you strike any of the keys from C4 on up with the damper pedal pressed is just incredible, sounds just like you are hearing all of the strings actually vibrating along with that one note. Awesome! The Harpsichord is very good with its percussion key-off samples. And the Wood Bass is very nice if not entirely practical. The Rhodes is very good and the FM synth sounds are also good. The Wood Bass with it's cymbal variation is cool. The Choir is good in some ways but you can tell that they saved the bulk of the memory for the piano sounds as the choir one seems to loop to quickly. I don't like the strings really at all. The velocity sensitive keys are very expressive and the touch sensitivity is adjustable. This board is very expressive and adapts to your playing style and dynamics very well. I like to use the AUX pedal plug in for the soft pedal which make real soft passages in a song super mellow and adds just that much more expressiveness.
Reliability
:No Opinion
I definitely believe this is a sturdy and dependable board, even though I do not gig, I would not hesitate to use it if I did therefore I do not know if I would use it on a gig without a backup.
Customer Support
:No Opinion
Never had to deal with them and just looking at how this thing is built I don't think I will ever have to!
Overall Rating
:10
If it got stolen I would probably wait until Yamaha comes out with another fabulous board just like the p-120 with top notch piano sounds, string patches and maybe a few brass sounds in there but not much else. I definitely think it was worth what I paid especially since I saved 50 dollars just by waiting a few days until it went on sale at Guitar Center. I have been playing since I was 5 years old and I have a Yamaha PSR-520 which has never had a problem so i figure you are safe with Yamaha. I compared it very closely with the Roland FP-3 but the highs on the piano in the Roland faded away to quickly for me. Yamaha rings loud and clear! Thats it, thanks for reading!
Product: Yamaha P120 Price Paid: US $1300
Submitted 01/01/2003
at 11:37am
by Mark DiSciullo
Email: mark at disciullo<dot>net
Ease of Use
:7
The presets are very easy to use. It did take a few sessions to notice the variation button. It actually was a nice surprise to find another layer of sound patches. The Sequencer is a bit awkward to use. I find myself accidently overwriting tracks I had just completed because I didn't switch off the record button for that particular track. The transpose button required bringing out the user manual to figure it out. I rarely spend time to figure out the MIDI stuff on any of my keyboards. It only complicates things anyway....I just want to play!
Features
:9
Keyboard action is great. I prefer it to my acoustic piano. I believe it's as close to a Yamaha acoustic as you can possibly get. Since this is my main keyboard, I've adapted my playing to it and I'm quite comfortable with it. I don't mess with the MIDI at all. I DO plug directly (via a ART Tube Pre-Amp) into my computer to record tracks. I really like the convienience of the on board speakers. Sometimes I just don't feel like booting up all the other equipment to just play a little. The speakers work fine for practicing. They are also quite passable for bringing the unit to a small jam session, thus reducing the need to lug tons of equipment.
Expressiveness/Sounds
:9
I bought this for the Piano sounds first (Grand Piano 1 & 2). The jazz organ sound was passible (I used that patch on a few gigs...until I got a Korg CX-3) The Fender Rhodes sounds are real nice. There are about 4 that are all are quite usable. There is one (Electric Piano w/variation) that I find myself very much in love with. I dont find much use for the reverb and chourus effects. I'm using outboard units that provide stronger effects
Reliability
:10
I've gigged without a backup. It's very durable and well build. I now do have a backup keyboard. I would rather be safe then sorry.
Customer Support
:8
No contact with Yamaha for this keyboard, but I have used their website a number of times to download user manuals for other products. Website is a little difficult to find things on. Just keep pluggin along and you will find what you need.
Overall Rating
:10
It was well worth what I paid for it. I plan on keeping it for as long as I can. I prefer it over my acoustic. The woodgrain finish is really cool. My model is black w/woodgrain, I love the look of it. I play with a folky bluesy group and it fits in nicely without looking to techno(I've noticed they've changed the latest models to grey w/woodgrain...yuk)
Product: Yamaha P120 Price Paid: US $1000
Submitted 09/16/2002
at 12:42am
by Anonymous
Ease of Use
:9
As others have noted, the main reason to get this unit is for the Grand Piano 1 preset and its variation. The FM piano, the Rhodes, the Wurli, the harpsichord, the vibes, and the various organs and basses are all of useful quality. The guitar is passable. The strings are mediocre, subtractively synthesized strings that sound very much "canned" and processed; a throwaway preset. The choir is acceptable, as choir patches go.
As a performance instrument, this piano's uses are obvious. If you want to alter the temperament, use the sequencer, transpose, etc. it's not as immediately obvious what to do, but the manual is perfectly adequate.
Features
:8
This piano has 64 notes of polyphony, enough for most purposes.
The keyboard action is quite decent, certainly comparable to anything in its class. I found it amusing to read that someone thought it wasn't as good as the P80's, and I suppose this must be a matter of taste. I've been playing classical music on a wide assortment of acoustic pianos (and more recently, digital ones) for 25 years, and while it seems obvious that no digital piano is going to do more than approximate the action of a grand piano, Yamaha has the best approximation, and the actions in their digital instruments are virtually indistinguishable from one model to the next. I can readily identify major acoustic brands by feel, and I detect no appreciable difference among Yamaha's digital models. These are in any case superior to digital piano actions by other makers.
The built-in effects are subtle, not particularly fine, but they don't get in the way, and can easily be deactivated.
It is not expandable, but neither is an acoustic piano. :-)
The MIDI implementation is quite meager, but adequate for my purposes. Strictly notes, velocity, and damper.
Speaking of damper... this piano has half-pedaling support. I've never been that interested in half-pedaling techniques, and they don't apply to most of the music I enjoy playing, but I can verify that it does in fact have half-pedaling support. It doesn't sound terribly realistic, but it doesn't sound terrible, either. To obtain realistic half-pedaling sound would be a tremendous feat, indeed.
I haven't done much with the sequencer, which is a simple two-track affair with three sequence memories. If you need a sequencer, you should really have a computer anyway. Dedicated sequencers are seldom as good as software sequencers.
Expressiveness/Sounds
:9
The layering/velocity scaling of this sampled piano is quite good for this price range. I am surprised to read that so many others thought these samples were too bright. On the contrary... they are very warm and realistically balanced in tone and amplitude, even in my Grado SR-60's, which are notoriously bright even when well broken-in. If you think the samples are too bright, you should try listening to them through a good pair of AKG or Sennheiser phones. The "brilliance" slider does a useful job of adjusting the brightness of the tone. The built-in audio system definitely has excessive brightness, but given the small speakers and low-power amplifier, it does a respectable job of reproduction, providing a bit of "woody" resonance. If it doesn't sound reasonably decent, try adjusting the volume control.
The onboard effects are nothing special, but they don't really get in the way, and it is simple enough to just turn them off. Compared with a Roland piano, you can't tell there any effects running at all. :-)
The presets are reasonably dynamic, except where they shouldn't be (harpsichord, organ patches). Of course, it's not identical to the dynamics of an acoustic piano, but it's close enough for government work.
The presets should satisfy people who enjoy playing jazz and classical music primarily, possibly excepting the snobbiest acoustic aficionados (even I'm not quite there yet). I have a fondness for Baroque, so I'm quite happy to have the unusually good harpsichord samples. The church organs are fine, but I would like to have the mellow stops from the Roland F-90 also. :-) The vibes, Rhodes, and Wurli are excellent, and the jazz organ is utilitarian.
Since I do like early music, it is a real pleasure to play the Kirnberger and Werckmeister temperaments. Pure major, pure minor, mean tone, and Pythagorean are also available, besides good old equal temperament.
Overall, an impressive showing. The sampled grand exhibits the least aliasing / distortion / artifacting of any sampled grand I've yet tried, and shows acceptable balance in tone amplitude throughout its 88-note range.
Reliability
:10
It feels solid. Like others, I've never had a problem with Yamaha gear. My gigging days are probably over, but I would take this instrument to a performance unhesitatingly, without backup.
Customer Support
:No Opinion
Never had a reason to deal with Yamaha support.
Overall Rating
:No Opinion
I'd get the same one again. It's definitely worth what I paid. As mentioned, I've been playing for 25 years. This is currently my only such instrument. I like the samples and the action is fine for my purposes. I do wish it would remember my effects settings across power cycles. I spent about a year comparing various digital pianos from different makers, including Yamaha, Korg, Roland, and Technics, before deciding on this one. This piano represented the best combination of sample quality, features (not too many) and playable action. I'm still getting used to its velocity switching and keyboard feel, but it resembles an acoustic piano as closely as any digital I've tried.
Product: Yamaha P120 Price Paid: US $980
Submitted 09/09/2002
at 02:59pm
by Cam Hughes
Ease of Use
:9
Very simple to use- you can set it up, turn it on and play away without any difficulty. Adjusting some of the settings (ex. = tuning the piano to a slightly different pitch to match your friends) can be hard to remember.
The manual is nicely laid out in English, French, German and Spanish- although people who speak the latter three will have some difficulty with the general sections of the instructions since they are ONLY in English. All in all, no real complaints.
Features
:9
Polyphony: 64 notes- more than enough for the average player
Effects: Haven't played much with these, probably because they sound kind of cheesy and I don't see much of use for them. The Keyboard feels superb. I see quite a few people have had minor gripes; however I find the action almost perfect. I'm not a concert pianist, mind you- so I can't detect the subtle nuances between a real grand and the 120 and express them with indignation. I just know it feels good. They keys have a quick return and are sufficient to play most anything.
Expandability: Nope, but this is a basic piano replacement and you don't really need it (can you expand your baby grand? Okay...)
MIDI- Whatever you need. Although the sequencer can't export anything you've recorded which is kind of sad.
Sequencer: 2 track, almost as basic as they come (but you can store three songs). Still, it really is a valuable practice too and composing aid. The 10,000 note limit can be insubstantial is you're using all three song slots.
I really like the metronome too. The sound doesn't get on my nerves!
The built in speakers are a big plus too. You don't find too many models with them; and lugging around an external set is just a real pain. For the size they are super. You can't really perform with them, but for practice they are fine.
For what the 120 is supposed to be it's super. Sure, it doesn't have a lot of the features other electric pianos have, but you'll have enough money left over to take a cruise to the Bahamas.
Expressiveness/Sounds
:9
The piano sounds beautiful (piano 1). Through a nice set of headphones I can easily forget that I'm not playing the real thing (disclaimer: I do not know what the "real thing" is exactly, I'm just comparing it to others grands I've tickled). I have no problem using the p120 as a replacement for ANY upright (and it's WAY cheaper than any at that... and no tuning, no broken strings, it's portable, and it can be hidden from little hands). Other instruments are decent- The STRINGS sound nice if you layer then with the piano. The CHORUS is surprisingly good (although sounds artificial for certain notes). The ORGAN, HARPSICORD, and GUITAR, are nice as well. Others are, as I said, descent.
The P120 works for any type of music. It's been a true champ as I?ve hammered out all my favorite Billy Joel, the best of Bach, the worst of my own.
I already feel like I'm one with this little guy. I haven't had to change the way I play or adjust my touch (as the keyboard will take care of that). I can recreate the softest touch or the hardest slam and I get a superb sounding not every time. Maybe it doesn't sound exactly like a Steinway, but it's good enough for anything a regular player needs it for.
Reliability
:10
This thing is built like a rock. Never had any trouble with any Yamaha product and would not hesitate to use it w/o a backup.
Customer Support
:No Opinion
Never had to deal with them.
Overall Rating
:10
If I ever lost this piano or if it were swiped I would buy another (most likely the same day). The p120 is worth every penny I paid. Much as I'd like to waltz over to the local piano dealer and plop down fifteen grand for a "real" piano, I just don't see the need. For a guy who just likes to play, for a family to learn on, even for band use (remember to have your own drummer!) the 120 is a star.
I've been playing the piano for about 7 years, owned tons of keyboards, and this one is my favorite. Even the way it looks makes me smile (the cherry "wood" feels kind of funny, but it looks great and the silver finish screams style- I have the p120S).
If I could have one wish then I'd want expandability. Not for more voices/instruments... but some percussion would be nice. A snare drum here and there can do wonders. But that's not what this piano is for, is it?
I dare say it sounded better than most of the Rolands I tried. Just as good as the Korgs and Tritons (yes, there will be many who gasp and protest...). And then there were the built in speakers... that made taking it somewhere far less complicated. They never cease to be handy.
Finally, I'll just add that I bought my p120 at The Guitar Center. I'm in Salt Lake, and I just want to say that's one of the finest musical establishments anywhere, with some of the finest people I've ever met. A big thumbs up to them.
Product: Yamaha P120 Price Paid: US $1048.00
Submitted 07/22/2002
at 10:28am
by John Stebbe
Email: ssstebbe at aol<dot>com
Ease of Use
:9
Very easy to use the basic functions. Manual is necessary for some advanced functions (for example, split/layer balance, or metronome volume).
Features
:7
64-voice polyphony. Wonderful, realistic piano action.
Standard entry-level effects--reverb, chorus, etc.
No expansion capability. That's not what this piano is for.
No pressure sensitity--again, not what this keyboard is about.
2-track sequencer. Better than nothing.
Basic MIDI ports.
Expressiveness/Sounds
:10
Piano sounds are excellent. A little bright, but there is a brilliance slider. If it's still too bright, you can set the touch sensitivity to "Hard" thus making the sound a bit less bright.
Pipe organ is excellent. With adequate amplification, and good finger technique, these sounds could really fool you. Nice to have a variation of the pipe organ sound, too.
Layering of piano with strings (the slow variation) or choir (the slow variation) is very effective.
Reliability
:10
Very reliable, so far.
Customer Support
:No Opinion
No experience with this yet. Predict good support.
Overall Rating
:9
I would get the same one again, if stolen.
This is a beautiful piano. Great keyboard feel, great piano sounds. I love it.
I wish it had: 1) a USB port 2) a GM soundset.
The Yamaha S 08 has those, and 88 keys, but the piano sounds are not as good, and the action is very light. Not a piano action.
Product: Yamaha P120 Price Paid: 829 (UK pounds)
Submitted 07/18/2002
at 02:48pm
by Chris
Email: chris<dot>newport at SPAMTRAPblueyonder<dot>co<dot>uk
Ease of Use
:8
Accessing basic functions is easy but more advanced functions require you to press non-intuitive combinations and sequences of buttons. You might need a crib sheet to get this right consistently, especially on stage.
Features
:8
There is *definitely* a difference between the action of the P-120 and the P-80. For me this is what clinched the decision to go for the P-120 rather than the P-80. I tried them both side by side. The difference is subtle - the P-80 has more of a 'rubbery' feel and the key return seems slightly less well controlled. But they're both pretty good for a non-acoustic action - I could have lived with the P-80's action.
Expressiveness/Sounds
:8
You get 14 'main' sounds, each with a 'variation' invoked by pressing the VARIATION button or pressing the instrument button a second time. I bought it primarily for the acoustic piano samples. Piano 1 is the most useable, particularly the variation which is a bit brighter but not overdone. Piano 2 is artificially bright and there is noticeable quantising distortion when the note is struck; this sound is only any good if you want very clear definition. The Piano 2 honky tonk effect appears to be done using phasing rather than by sampling a real honky tonk piano, which is a shame - come on Yamaha, you can do better than this. E Piano 1 is pure DX7 and though it has slightly too much ring modulation effect for my liking it's quite funky. The Variation is awful, like a cheap Casio keyboard - I can't think where you would use this outside a Bingo hall. E Piano 2 is very Rhodes-like and the variation is a good Wurlitzer tine sound. The Harpsichords - 8' and 8' + 4' - are realistic and you can hear the jacks returning when the key is lifted. There's also a strange after-ring which changes in pitch and sounds electronic, slight marring the otherwise excellent acoustic sound. The Church Organ is a superb Baroque organ sound, complete with lifelike chiff and slower speech from the bass pipes - I love it; the Variation has more stops speaking and definitely sounds electronic. Jazz organ is a pastiche of a Hammond, though useful because the variation is the same sound but with Leslie rotor spinning and the rotor spins up and down again between the two samples. Strings are fairly usable provided you keep within about 2 octaves either side of middle C, beyond which they sound too artificial. The Choir singing 'Oooh' is fabulous! I don't like that sort of thing usually but these samples are excellent and respond to touch so you can bring out different parts. I managed to simulate a fairly believable Bach chorus. The useful range is quite limited and the sample quality audibly degrades between the F and F# in the 2nd octave above middle C. Similarly the sound degrades rapidly below the C below middle C. But within that range it is excellent. Guitar is a sample of a nylon-stringed guitar which, if you roll the chords, could almost pass for a real guitar except for the noticeably uneven decay. There are 2 bass instruments which are very useable. Other sounds are: Clavichord, Vibraphone. The ability to play two instruments simultaneously, or split them across the keyboard, makes the P-120 very versatile.
One aspect that Yamaha have NOT got right is the piano sustain samples. These play if the sustain pedal is down, to give more of the effect of a real acoustic piano. But they only play when the pedal is ALREADY DOWN. If you use normal pedalling technique, ie lifting the pedal when a chord changes and then immediately depressing it again, as you would on an acoustic piano, the samples don't sound because the pedal is up when the note is played. That makes them almost completely USELESS.
Overall I'm not quite as pleased with the piano samples after a couple of weeks playing as I hoped I would be. The bass and top end is okay, but the middle registers sound mushy and the decay is sometimes uneven. I have an acoustic Yamaha piano to compare with (a U3 upright) and the P-120 has a long way to go to catch up. But the other voices, particularly the good electric pianos, make up for it. Ultimately, I'm finding I have to adapt my style of playing to get the best out of this instrument.
Reliability
:9
It's a Yamaha - my Yamaha DX-7 is still going strong after around 30 years.
Customer Support
:No Opinion
No experience of this.
Overall Rating
:9
I bought it from Chappell's in New Bond Street, London. Chappell's matched the price with a company I found on the internet - saving around #80. They were happy to do this so I could probably have got it down a bit more. Warning: just because this is a 'portable' piano doesn't mean it's easy to take on the tube (metro). I wanted to get it from Chappell's, which is relatively local to where I live, just in case it goes wrong and needs to be sent back. Unlikely to happen though - it's a Yamaha.
Chappell's sell a soft case with wheels for #50 - #60 (don't recall the exact price) which I'll probably buy (they didn't have one in stock at the time). This is a WIDE piano - it wouldn't fit across a London black cab (though it went in diagonally) and won't fit easily in my Toyota Yaris I suspect.
Product: Yamaha P120 Price Paid: CDN ($1800)
Submitted 07/18/2002
at 01:10am
by Ivan
Ease of Use
:9
I bought this instrument as a portable piano that could cut it in most jazz and rock gig situations where a real piano is unavailable. It was also purchased as a project studio piano.
This instrument is generally very easy to use. All the important stuff that you might need quick access to is right on the front panel. Calling up voices and variations is second nature, and I had no difficulty with the metronome and sequencer. A reasonably clear manual was referred to only a few times, and I was thrilled to discover that there are a number of intuitive button shortcuts for editing parameters such as balance between layered and split voices, and effect depth. The manual also clearly lays out more sophisticated MIDI and sys ex functions, and I expect I will only ever need to refer to the charts in the appendix from time to time when using it with my computer and synths.
Features
:7
The keyboard action is simply outstanding. I played it for four hours once I brought it home, and found it expressive playing jazz, rock and classical. No clunkiness or sponginess here. There is some substance to the action which keeps the keys under control for soft passages, but I was able to control the dynamic range very well, and for once found myself playing a digital piano, rather than fighting with it.
The effects aren't bad, though I was disappointed that I couldn't get a really deep fast tremelo (a la Riders on the Storm) for the e-piano. Generally I will be using my studio effects, though. Would be nice to be able to get a little overdrive on the e-pianos and organ.
I haven't tried many midi applications with it yet, but was pleased to learn that it is multi timbral. I hope the fretless and acoustic basses respond to pitch bend, I haven't checked this yet. No biggie if they don't, but it would be nice.
The biggest disappointment is that the sequencer cannot be made to transmit midi note data. This limits it to a very capable practice tool, though I had hoped it could serve as a sketch pad for inspired ideas, which could then be transfered into my sequencer and "elaborated". Unfortunately, it is really only a practice tool. On the plus side, tt was easy and intuitive to use.
Expressiveness/Sounds
:9
This really is the reason to buy this instrument. I have not used a better sounding stage piano. I used it on a gig which ended up being featured in a live broadcast on the local 11 o'clock news. Once we put our cell phones away, satisfied that our significant others had the VCR's sorted out, we settled into the gig. It was a jazz quartet with a singer, and we performed standards and some latin and R&B. I forgot to bring a power bar, so decided to save plugging in my amp and monitored through the internal speakers. We were running through a small PA.
I would not generally recommend this, the speakers are just a hair under achieving for this kind of use. Fortunately the vocalist had some piano in her monitor, and was in front of me. However, it sounded stellar in the fronts, and I found it to be incredibly expressive. Better still, it also sounded really good on TV.
At home, there is still no comparison to a real piano, but this is really close. At the risk of offending all the P 80 lovers here, I have to say that the P 120 provided great relief from the dreadful midrange honk in the P 80. It was the P 80 I found unplayable, and when I used a loaner P80 once, my "lay" friends commented on this without being prompted.
For acoustic piano, I would only ever use grand piano 1, and the brightness slider. But, who cares if there is only one piano sound... a real piano has only one piano sound. As long as it's good...
And it is. The really noticeable feature is that it gets dark when you play it quietly, and bright when played more forcefully (no, there was nobody messing with the light switch...). It does this more realistically than any other diital piano I've tried, including other Yamahas, Rolands and Korgs. I would not hesitate to track piano parts with this, especially in an ensemble. Even alone, it is very realistic. With eq, it could work in any jazz, rock or classical context I can imagine. This is a warm, expressive instrument.
For those concerned with the lack of bottom, try using an amp and bigger speakers. The bottom end is tight and musical, and the resonance on the high keys is an outstanding imitation of a real piano. The mid range is also very convincing.
Electric piano 2 and it's variation are very worthy of note. It sounds as though the main sound is a Rhodes, and the variation a Wurlitzer. The Rhodes is stunning, and I will undoubtably get a lot of use out of this. It is very realistic, and gives you that nice bell tone when played softly, and just the right bite when you dig in. The velocity switching sounds well matched to the real thing. The Wurlitzer is good enough to be identifiable as that, but does not give that same bite when digging in. Unfortunately it does not appear possible to layer a variation with the "mother" patch, since these two layered may have given an interesting tone.
The remaining sounds are well selected for a grab bag on a gig, and some are actually quite good. I can't remember ever needing a harpsichord patch, but if I did, this is pretty impressive with the key off noise. I had the good fortune of being able to compare it to a real harpsichord in the store where I bought it, and it is surprisingly realistic. A harpsichordist may complain about the P120 action being too heavy, but could not complain about the sound.
Otherwise, the Organ sounds like it is a sample of the 888000000 Hammond drawbar setting with a little vibrato, and the variation speeds up the leslie. If you are holding a note or chord when you hit the variation, it will speed up or slow down the leslie while the notes are playing. I have a real Hammond and Leslie, and the P120 is does a pretty good job at this one tone, which is a common jazz stop. I sould like to also have had a 800000008 setting for pads, but the stop they chose is a good choice in a lot of situations.
The strings have a fast and slow attack, and are usable. The church organs are quite good, and I'm sure somebod
Reliability
:10
I have never had a problem with Yamaha gear, and do not expect any problems with this instrument.
Customer Support
:No Opinion
Overall Rating
:10
Product: Yamaha P120 Price Paid: 1290 (?)
Submitted 06/08/2002
at 04:12pm
by Anonymous
Ease of Use
:8
I've got this piano for two days now and did already a gig with it. The basics are totally easy. The function mode is indeed not intuitive but I didn't need it so far. Manual is much better than the one of my CS6x.
Features
:8
64 voice polyphony is more than enough. Effects are cool but you have to adjust them, especially the preset effects on the Rhodes are not cutting through unless you adjust it. Two track sequencer is very basic but I don't care about that. That's what computers are for. Over all not that many features but all that's in there is more than usable and the best of all, great keyboard action!
Expressiveness/Sounds
:9
Of course I bought it because of the amazingly realistic piano sound and the unbelievable Rhodes patch, although I do have the real thing. Sometimes you just don't want to take that heavy Rhodes with you. I'm using piano 1 only, without variation. It's very warm but also very bright when being hit hard. Pianos need that brilliance with loud playing and I was missing that on the P80. When played softer it's perfect for classical playing. All other piano patches are too bright for my taste and who needs a honky tonk really? Organ sucks but what else is new with Yamaha.
Reliability
:10
As I said I did my first gig with it already and a little incident happened. I was putting my new keyboard stand together for the first time. I messed something up but I didn't notice and as a result the stand collapsed with the piano on it. Luckily this was before soundcheck and the board didn't give in one moment. I guess it's totally stable and reliable. My CS6x never let me down in the one and a half years I have it so that's another good sign.
Customer Support
:No Opinion
Never had to deal with Yamaha customer service.
Overall Rating
:10
This is the perfect combination of sound, action, size, weight, looks (silver cherry!) and reliability. Unbeatable value! A GEM ProMega3 has unbelievable sampling technique but is big, heavy and more than twice as expensive. I would get the same one if it would be stolen as long as there isn't anything better. Great job, Yamaha!
Product: Yamaha P120 Price Paid: US $980 including stand
Submitted 05/21/2002
at 02:23pm
by Jonathan Kandell
Email: jkandell<at>sysmatrix dot net
Ease of Use
:4
Easy if you only use preset piano. Function setting can be a pain, it?s not intuitive. Reverb adjustment would be easier with a knob like RD700--but at least it can do it. It?s difficult to set dual layers when you want only one of the two instruments in its variation. It?s also difficult to set the dual instrument balance. The manual is fine, with highlighted boxes answering faqs that came to my mind.
Features
:6
Not many, but those it has are practical and adaptable. You can adjust most things you?d want if willing to do enough frustrating function flipping. The song recorder is useful to hear how one sounds or used as a notebook. The effects aren?t worth squat but can be ignored. The half-pedal and special sustain samples are overrated. Adjustable reverb is useful to tailor to room acoustics (the preset ambiance settings don?t do much without it). The custom stand is very sturdy. The foot pedal slides across floor annoyingly. The damper pedal can alternatively be set to sostenuto or to soft.
Action: With all the talk I had heard about the great Yamaha action, I was surprised how badly it compared with a good acoustic. It doesn?t have that bounce-back you get with real weighted hammers. You can?t hit the same key in really quick succession, so forget certain pieces. On the other hand, the action is basically functional for classical playing, unlike most digital pianos by other companies at this price. Frankly, the P120 action is better than most acoustic pianos. The Roland RD700 (PA-5) action seemed more realistic at double the price.
Surprisingly, the P120's action is notably different from the P80's. Playing without power there is not much, if any, difference; but with sound the P80 keys require more play to sound the note. In the store I found it easier to play trills on the P80. But in some ways the 120 feels more like a real grand.
Aesthetics: The aesthetics are a strong point of the 120. I really like the way Yamaha designed the P120 to sit in a living room, not as an ugly black gig box. At the same time they didn?t try to unnecessarily duplicate a piano?s bulky wooden mass. We love the look of the grey-cherry model (120S). The dark wood model looked cheap to us. We got the black stand by mistake (matches the other model), but this turned out to a blessing in disguise.
Expressiveness/Sounds
:8
(?for the price). I spent many hours listening to the P80 v P120 at Guitar Center (pure hell!) with Grado S60 earphones and in-store monitors. I also listened to a Korg SP200 and Roland FP3. The Korg had quite good piano sounds but a slightly ?mushier? action just to the point it wasn?t realistic. The FP had excellent action, comparable to Yamaha?s, but the high end and low end and dual layering sounded worse to me.
You?d get the impression from many of the reviews below that the P80 grand piano sound is head-and-shoulders above the P120?s, the latter sounding tinny and lacking roundedness. After careful consideration, I don?t agree. After playing the 120 a few weeks at home and then going back to listen to the 80, the latter sounded dull and lifeless. In fact, after a trip to the piano store listening to real Yamaha grands, I am even more sure of this.
The 120?s sound is bright, clear, open, distinct. Very musical and shimmering and beautiful. More ?present?. The lows lack some realism, but make up for it with clarity of pitch. (Most other digital pianos have a mushy bass similar to cheap stereo speakers.)
If you want to hear the P120 at its best, bring sheet music for the slow variation 45 of the Goldbergs. The P120 does best in this kind of music with limited polyphony. (You start to hear the limitations of this machine with larger chords; not really ?note stealing? but a subtle decrease in realism.) You can do a good in-store comparison using Chopin?s Fantasy-Impromptu, which is P80?s demo sample and preset tune 22 on the P120. This piece has all the extremes of fast and slow, loud and soft, and you?ll hear the weak points and strong points of both machines. Debussy?s Arabesque (preset 47) is another good comparison.
Despite what some say below, neither the P120 nor P80 sound like a real piano, though there are moments when you can?t tell the difference. For one thing, the low notes on the 120 aren?t nearly loud or broad or strong enough?which has psychological effects on your playing. The high end also seems very weak on the P120 compared with a real grand. The top few octaves have too much hammer and lack the clear tones of a good grand, they?re more like a bad upright. (All these aspects are somewhat minimized with good earphones.) Also, the sustain pedal doesn't hold the high notes nearly enough. Still, at a recent visit to a piano shop, the 120 was more enjoyable to play than many of the $10,000 grands, and almost all the used pianos, especially those that had fallen slightly out of tune. I?m sure some will take me to task, but I concluded that only with the Yamaha G2 do I start to get a more musical instrument than my P120. I was surprised just how many pianos have a mediocre action and sound compared with my 120.
Because the P120 has inbuilt speakers, you want to be careful not compare directly to the P80 through monitors. Rely on good classical earphones (like the $69 Grados), or attach the same speakers to both machines. Also remember that the acoustics in your home are likely to be different than in the store. Try the different touch sensitivities as well, not so much to adjust the touch but rather to force slightly different piano sample sets, especially noticeable at the low end.
The sound in our living room was much better than we had anticipated, and we continue to be impressed with the inbuilt speakers. These manage to convey enough depth to make it musical. You?re not going to get the low rumble, but they are much better than your average inbuilt speaker (like e.g. the awful one in the Clavinovas). They pass the ?good enough? test, and most don?t. We have unexpectedly ended up using the machine "as is" for our daily playing. (Note that they do sound better for the person playing than they do for someone standing elsewhere in the room. These definitely ain?t gig speakers.) I do wonder what this machine sounds like with good speakers.
Several idiosyncrasies of the P120
Reliability
:No Opinion
Doesn?t seem to have a warranty! (May be wrong about that.) Foot pedal starting squeaking after one month. Custom stand is very sturdy.
Customer Support
:No Opinion
Overall Rating
:8
A good value for someone wanting a decent home piano for classical/jazz playing. No ugly speakers to deal with and no ugly ?synth? look. You don't have to press a million buttons to get to the piano. Much better than a typical home piano, acoustic or otherwise. The P120 has a unique bright open sound. All digital pianos in the $1000 range have sound limitations of one sort or another; the P120 has to my ears more ?musical? sounding limitations than comparable units, viz. Yamaha P80, Roland FP3, Korg SP200. We?ve had the P120 a month and love it. Consider the Roland RD700 with grand piano card ($1700 + stand + $300 SRX-02 + amp + monitors) if you want an even better action and sound. Wasn?t worth it to me though. Of course if you?re interested in other voices and effects or prerecorded rhythms I recommend almost anything else.
Product: Yamaha P120 Price Paid: US $1050
Submitted 05/20/2002
at 01:25pm
by pianojoe
Ease of Use
:10
As simple as possibly imaginable, editing is quick, sequencer requires NO BRAINS! Extremely portable, but not wild about the partial wood(plastic) finish (break out the spray paint)
Features
:9
64 notes is plentiful, yamaha action continues to improve & impress, effects are decent, no eq (boo hoo). All the connections you possibly need, even 2 phone jacks! On board speakers do the job well..
Expressiveness/Sounds
:9
This is what it's all about, right? The piano sound, which is all I want & bothered to play. It's second to none! I own a P200 & will be selling it immediately. The sustain (looping) is noticably smoother & longer than previous models, the pedal down soundboard resonance is a welcome treat. Sounds very realistic when brightened & mellowed with on board controls, no clunker notes or ringers, but still a little "thunk" sound when playing soft passages...I've been using the Gigastudio piano samples, but dare not to bring my cpu to the gigs. P120 is still a step back in terms of the sample sound, but it's the first piano I've played that I think I'll still enjoy playing, almost as much as my gigas. Playability & sample layer points are seamless (wish I could say that about the Gigas). Simply the best sound out there in its class...
Reliability
:10
Haven't had a piece of Yamaha gear go out on me to date!
Customer Support
:10
Yamaha will call you if leave a message at their website service! Beat that!
Overall Rating
:10
Has every featute you could ask for: style, portability, playability, value, outputs galore, simple sequncer, effects, ample controls, and yes, excellent sound! I back to backed it with the Roland FP3 (yuck), Technics P50 (nice, but obvious flaws in sampling) Korg (thin & gutless) Yamaha P80 (a big step back) & my P200 (out the door with it!) P120 WINS!!!
Product: Yamaha P120 Price Paid: US $1150
Submitted 05/19/2002
at 11:19am
by Kion
Email: cubano<at>hananet dot net
Ease of Use
:10
This isn't a complicated synth but a simple digital piano.
Very easy to make a full use of it.
Features
:9
64 polyphony which is enough.
The keyboard action is about 95% identical to the real one IMHO.
The board has several basic fx functions like reverb, chorus, phaser,
tremolo, delay, etc. plus all the essential features that you can
find in any digital piano like transpose, metronome, 2 track recorder, etc.. but has nothing special in other words.
Expressiveness/Sounds
:10
This is a yamaha-made piano and it imitates a yamaha grand surprisingly well considering its price.
All the other sounds have been greatly improved from P80 with no doubt.
I especially like the EP, church organ, jazz organ, and acoustic guitar sound.
The built-in speakers which is the one important reasons I chose this piano were much better than I expected.
They are loud enough and create some feel of vibration when playing.
Reliability
:No Opinion
It's been only 10 days.
Customer Support
:No Opinion
Overall Rating
:10
If it were lost or stolen I would save my money to buy another one.
I used KORG SG proX, YAMAHA P80, KURZWEIL PC2X, NEMESYS Giga Piano, and Steinberg The Grand, and the P120 is the best and definite replacement of an heavy acoustic piano to me, and it looks nice, too. ( P120S, the silver model )
Product: Yamaha P120 Price Paid: 1500 (euro)
Submitted 04/16/2002
at 12:43pm
by Harry
Ease of Use
:10
The yamaha digital piano is very easy to use. All is in front and under your fingertips.
Features
:9
Polyphony of 64 notes is more than enough for me. Get rid of those keyboards with 128 notes etc. How many times do you use them?
The keyboard action is GREAT on this yamaha. Much better then the Roland XV88 or RD700.
Expressiveness/Sounds
:10
The Samples are the best i've heard. And I tried them all. I must say that the Roland RD700 sound is also good, but the layering of the piano voices on the yamaha is MUCH better.
One Special Thing!! If you press the Jazz Organ the 'leslie' of the hammond organ is turning slow. When you press variation, you actually hear!! the leslie speeding up!! Great sound here!!!!! yamaha !!!!
Reliability
:10
OK and OK
Customer Support
:No Opinion
Never must have contact them, so no opinion.
Overall Rating
:10
I've been playing piano almost 35 years. For 'on the road' I use my P120S now and a Korg T2.
The feel of the keyboard P120S is the greatest.
Product: Yamaha P120 Price Paid: 950 (UK Pounds)
Submitted 04/07/2002
at 05:08am
by Anonymous
Ease of Use
:10
Very simple to operate.
Features
:10
Good all-round features. See postings below for specs.
Expressiveness/Sounds
:9
The main piano sound is undoubtably more realistic than that of the p80 and all others in this price range - more vivid, with a better "front-end", and a more real response time. The action is also superb. However, the reviewers below who claim the piano sound is too bright and metalic do have a bit of a point. There are three bright piano sounds (plus a joke honky-tonk) but no really round-edged ones. Also, the C above middle C and the G above that have marginally harsher overtones when played with any weight, and the notes in-between these two are also slightly affected. This is also a problem on most of the new middle-level yamaha clavinovas, which seem to have the same sample set. (I think it's a problem with the way that the samples have been manipulated during the process of making them fit more than one note). This shouldn't be a big enough problem to stop you buying the insturment - which is magnificent in every other way - but it is something to look out for when you're testing it. As well as reducing the brightness with the slider, the best way to get around the problem is to set the touch to "Hard". This greatly reduces the effect. Note also the vastly improved other sounds including an unbelieveably good rhodes and a harpischord with a superb click as the key is released.
Reliability
:10
No problems after 5 months.
Customer Support
:No Opinion
Overall Rating
:9
A first-rate digital piano and a bargain at the price. One slightly over-bright half-octave (see above) is my only complaint.
Product: Yamaha P120 Price Paid: #950 (British Pounds)
Submitted 03/24/2002
at 04:50am
by Wilsy
Email: wilsywundoo at yahoo<dot>co<dot>uk
Ease of Use
:10
Very simple to use. A child could master it in an afternoon. The manual is also fine.
Features
:10
This is a great digital piano. It has fantastic piano sounds, it is portable, it has inbuilt speakers which are actually very good. The action is clavinova class - the best available.
Why get a massive temperamental piano that goes out of tune, has a duller sound, is harder to make sound good and only has one sound to choose from?
Should mention that it plays better than Roland pianos. The action is so much more fluid.
Expressiveness/Sounds
:10
Yamaha have sampled the piano sounds to perfection. My only complaint is that the piano sound is better than a piano. They will soon be making pianos to sound like the Yamaha samples. I seriously wonder whether in the future acoustic pianos will just not be made anymore.
You can get carried away by the rich bright sounds and play for hours. The harmonics using the sustain pedal are wonderful.
THERE IS NO METALLIC RINGING SOUND IN MY MODEL (the black + wood effect one). The reverb sometimes causes some high frequency overtones but that is just what reverb does.
This is an improvement on the acoustic piano.
Reliability
:No Opinion
N/A
Only had it for a week.
Customer Support
:No Opinion
N/A
Overall Rating
:10
Would buy this one again if it was stolen.
Product: Yamaha P120 Price Paid: US $1025
Submitted 03/09/2002
at 06:10am
by JOSEPH HAMILTON
Ease of Use
:10
THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE KEYBOARD TO USE. I CAN TURN IT ON AND START PLAYING RIGHT AWAY.
Features
:9
I HAVEN'T USED ALL OF THE FEATURES YET. MY ONE COMPLAINT IS THAT THE RECORDER GETS FILLED UP QUICKLY DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE OF MUSIC YOU PLAY. I ONLY USE THE GRAND PIANO SOUND WHICH IS JUST FINE WIH ME.
Expressiveness/Sounds
:9
THE SOUND IS GREAT FOR SUCH A PORTABLE KEYBOARD. I DID NOTICE THE METALLIC RINGING THAT ONE OF THE POSTERS MENTIONED, BUT THAT STOPPED ONCE I USED THE AUX JACK FOR THE SUSTAIN PEDAL. NOW I AM TOTALLY HAPPY WITH IT. I WAS A BIT BUMMED OUT WHEN I FIRST NOTICED THE RINGING NOISE BUT NOW IT IS FINE. THE KEY ARE ALSO OF A HIGHER QUALITY THAN SOME OF THE OTHER BRANDS AT THIS PRICE RANGE. I WOULD SAY THAT THEY ARE EVEN BETTER THAN THE YAMAHA BABY GRAND AT MY WIFE'S CHURCH. THEY SEEM TO BE WEIGHTED PERFECTLY. OF COURSE YOU DO NOT GET THE RANGE OF EXPRESSIVENESS THAT YOU GET WITH AN ACOUSTIC BUT IT COMES CLOSE ENOUGH.
Reliability
:10
IT A YAMAHA---THE TOYOTA OF THE MUSIC INDUSTRY!!!!
Customer Support
:No Opinion
I HAVE HAD IT FOR ONLY 3 MONTHS AND IT HAS WORKED FLAWLESSLY.
Overall Rating
:10
I WOULD BUY THIS PRODUCT AGAIN. I GOT THE SILVER ONE WHICH LOOKS A LOT BETTER IN PERSON THAN THE BLACK ONE. THE BLACK ONE HAS AN EXTREMELY CHEAP LOOK TO IT. BEFORE YOU BUY, YOU SHOULD SEE THEM IN PERSON. I WAS GOING TO BUY THE BLACK WHEN I SAW IT ON THE INTERNET BUT I CHANGED MY MIND ONCE I SAW IT IN PERSON. THE SILVER ONE IS JUST BEAUTIFUL.